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Households at home ( Be Honest)

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Captain Scarlet
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Re: Households at home ( Be Honest)

Post by Captain Scarlet »

Are you allowed to take mail home?...No I don't think so, this is a sackable offence and if the IB knew it was going on you would be suspended :crazy:
If the time allocated is not enough ask your lino to try and do it, bet he can't so you will have proven your point.
There should be a matrix for the number of d2d you have so time it on that not what the Dom said should happen or get the union involved and ask Moya what she thinks of mail being taken home?
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

deltaforce wrote:Very dodgy ground if they are doing that. Rm would see that in the same light as if you took mail home.
I agree D2Ds are now treated as live mail, and the Security paper you should sign every year quite clearly states no mail should be taken home.

If IB descended on one of these colleagues they would have a hard time getting them to believe their reason for storing at home was a benign one.
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What security paper ??? :hmmmm
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ashadd wrote:What security paper ??? :hmmmm
Appendix B

SAFEGUARDING CUSTOMERS’ MAIL

AGREED NATIONAL GUIDELINES

1 STANDARDS

Royal Mail’s future depends upon continuing to give our customers the highest possible standards of service. One of the most important duties of all employees is to provide customers with the service they have paid for and have a right to expect. Product specifications dictate the timing of collections, processing and delivery of items within the product pipeline (due process). Mails operations are geared up to meet these requirements to ensure that we as a Business get it right first time, every time.
2 TRAINING/LOCAL ARRANGEMENTS

It is essential that our employees are given the correct training and support if they are to provide an excellent service to our customers and complete their work entirely in accordance with the requirements of the job. When this is not possible to do this, for any reason, arrangements should be in place to enable employees to alert their manager at an early stage in order to avoid compromising service standards.

Delay to mail is a serious matter and it is, therefore, incumbent on all Royal Mail employees to ensure all items are processed in accordance with the local arrangements. All employees will be made aware of these local arrangements and the specific requirements of the particular job(s) they will perform. Every time mail is delayed, for whatever reason, Royal Mail’s employees should attempt to correct the problem efficiently and effectively as soon as possible.

3 DELIVERY

3.1 PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT

Where an employee feels that on completion of preparation he/she may experience difficulty in completing his/her delivery within the authorised time allotted, he/she should approach his/her manager as soon as possible before setting out on delivery. It will be for the manager to discuss any problem and advise the employee what particular action should be taken.

When an individual has requested assistance on delivery, but the manager feels that assistance is not required, this decision along with the advice given to the employee will be recorded and associated with the daily traffic volume records. The employee can have access to this record and may ask to see it prior to commencement of his/her delivery. In addition to recording the employee’s request, the employee will be instructed to ring his/her local manager prior to a specified time or as soon as possible if full completion of delivery workload within the time allotted proves not to be possible.




3.2 AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF DELIVERY

If an individual is prevented from completing their delivery for any reason, it is essential that this is reported immediately either by returning to the office or by telephone (telephone costs will be refunded). A written record will be kept.

All employees should be informed of the local authorised arrangements, in writing, preferably in plastic card form if available.

4. GENERAL

Employees must be made aware that mail must NEVER be taken home at the end of a delivery. Correct endorsement procedures and correct use of the pouching off wallet, if appropriate, will avoid this.

Although the main aim will be to avoid the circumstances that may pose operational difficulties to an employee and to find ways of overcoming any potential problem at a very early stage, it is also important that all employees are made fully aware of the implications of delaying mail and possible consequences.

Measures shall be put in place to advise staff on the course of action to be taken when difficulties arise when managers are unavailable.

5. SAFEGUARDING CUSTOMER MAIL (ROYAL MAIL CONDUCT CODE)

UNEXCUSED DELAY TO MAIL

The responsibility for safeguarding the mail and giving it prompt and accurate
treatment is one of the most important duties of all employees.

Various actions can cause mail to be delayed, e.g. carelessness, negligence, breach or disregard of a rule or guideline. Such instances are to be distinguished from wilful delay although they may also be treated as misconduct, and in more serious instances could also result in dismissal.
Furthermore, Royal Mail does recognise that genuine mistakes and misunderstandings do occur and it is not the intention of the Business that such cases should be dealt with under the Conduct Code beyond counselling for the isolated instance. The key is that employees should do their job to the best of their ability and, if in doubt, ask for their manager’s advice and guidance.

WILFUL DELAY

Wilful delay of mail is classed as gross misconduct, which if proven could lead to dismissal. The test to determine whether actions may be considered as wilful delay is as follows:
Deliberate action taken by an employee that causes mail to be delayed is called wilful delay. Where proven, such breaches of conduct can lead to dismissal, even for a first offence; indeed Wilful Delay is a criminal offence and can result in prosecution.
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Re: Households at home ( Be Honest)

Post by Straight4ward »

The original post states that the postie in question is only allowed 15 minutes to throw in 2 trays of mech and his D2Ds in the morning.
Now the post doesn’t mention how many delivery points but clearly the time allowed is inadequate.
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Killersurfbunny
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Post by Killersurfbunny »

Maybe he's built his own sorting frame at home. :shock:
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Post by deltaforce »

Straight4ward wrote:The original post states that the postie in question is only allowed 15 minutes to throw in 2 trays of mech and his D2Ds in the morning.
Now the post doesn’t mention how many delivery points but clearly the time allowed is inadequate.
Using rm guide line figures.. 25 per min ..two trays would equate about 12 - 15 mins + d2d at 4 mins each contract.. Clearly 15 min is insufficient.
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Post by Nigel1505 »

D2D are classed as first class mail. it goes on at our DO as well.
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Post by Hitcher »

Straight4ward wrote:The original post states that the postie in question is only allowed 15 minutes to throw in 2 trays of mech and his D2Ds in the morning.
Now the post doesn’t mention how many delivery points but clearly the time allowed is inadequate.
But he's not complained and is managing to do it in the time allocated so there's nothing wrong! :wink:
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Post by malcolm3011 »

Happens in my office to, also quite a few come in waaaayyyy before their start time Mondays to prep their D2Ds :no no
robbertwhitton
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Post by robbertwhitton »

really?? beam me up scottie,just what a monster are we creating here??? get a grip!!! :crazy:
DB1100
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Post by DB1100 »

D2d's are brilliant they help me cut off most day's,the only problem they cause me is in the old days I used to like to get them done before Saturday,but I can't do that now so no early Saturdays but it's worth it for a stress free week and a couple of managers who can do absolutely nothing about it as I say "I am sorry but I will not be able to complete my duty in time and I do not wish to go over,what would you like me to do?.
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motch
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Re: Households at home ( Be Honest)

Post by motch »

Killersurfbunny wrote:Maybe he's built his own sorting frame at home. :shock:
f**k me don't give some of the guys in my office that idea..
She Raa
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Re: Households at home ( Be Honest)

Post by She Raa »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
ashadd wrote:What security paper ??? :hmmmm
Appendix B

SAFEGUARDING CUSTOMERS’ MAIL

AGREED NATIONAL GUIDELINES

1 STANDARDS

Royal Mail’s future depends upon continuing to give our customers the highest possible standards of service. One of the most important duties of all employees is to provide customers with the service they have paid for and have a right to expect. Product specifications dictate the timing of collections, processing and delivery of items within the product pipeline (due process). Mails operations are geared up to meet these requirements to ensure that we as a Business get it right first time, every time.
2 TRAINING/LOCAL ARRANGEMENTS

It is essential that our employees are given the correct training and support if they are to provide an excellent service to our customers and complete their work entirely in accordance with the requirements of the job. When this is not possible to do this, for any reason, arrangements should be in place to enable employees to alert their manager at an early stage in order to avoid compromising service standards.

Delay to mail is a serious matter and it is, therefore, incumbent on all Royal Mail employees to ensure all items are processed in accordance with the local arrangements. All employees will be made aware of these local arrangements and the specific requirements of the particular job(s) they will perform. Every time mail is delayed, for whatever reason, Royal Mail’s employees should attempt to correct the problem efficiently and effectively as soon as possible.

3 DELIVERY

3.1 PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT

Where an employee feels that on completion of preparation he/she may experience difficulty in completing his/her delivery within the authorised time allotted, he/she should approach his/her manager as soon as possible before setting out on delivery. It will be for the manager to discuss any problem and advise the employee what particular action should be taken.

When an individual has requested assistance on delivery, but the manager feels that assistance is not required, this decision along with the advice given to the employee will be recorded and associated with the daily traffic volume records. The employee can have access to this record and may ask to see it prior to commencement of his/her delivery. In addition to recording the employee’s request, the employee will be instructed to ring his/her local manager prior to a specified time or as soon as possible if full completion of delivery workload within the time allotted proves not to be possible.




3.2 AFTER COMMENCEMENT OF DELIVERY

If an individual is prevented from completing their delivery for any reason, it is essential that this is reported immediately either by returning to the office or by telephone (telephone costs will be refunded). A written record will be kept.

All employees should be informed of the local authorised arrangements, in writing, preferably in plastic card form if available.

4. GENERAL

Employees must be made aware that mail must NEVER be taken home at the end of a delivery. Correct endorsement procedures and correct use of the pouching off wallet, if appropriate, will avoid this.

Although the main aim will be to avoid the circumstances that may pose operational difficulties to an employee and to find ways of overcoming any potential problem at a very early stage, it is also important that all employees are made fully aware of the implications of delaying mail and possible consequences.

Measures shall be put in place to advise staff on the course of action to be taken when difficulties arise when managers are unavailable.

5. SAFEGUARDING CUSTOMER MAIL (ROYAL MAIL CONDUCT CODE)

UNEXCUSED DELAY TO MAIL

The responsibility for safeguarding the mail and giving it prompt and accurate
treatment is one of the most important duties of all employees.

Various actions can cause mail to be delayed, e.g. carelessness, negligence, breach or disregard of a rule or guideline. Such instances are to be distinguished from wilful delay although they may also be treated as misconduct, and in more serious instances could also result in dismissal.
Furthermore, Royal Mail does recognise that genuine mistakes and misunderstandings do occur and it is not the intention of the Business that such cases should be dealt with under the Conduct Code beyond counselling for the isolated instance. The key is that employees should do their job to the best of their ability and, if in doubt, ask for their manager’s advice and guidance.

WILFUL DELAY

Wilful delay of mail is classed as gross misconduct, which if proven could lead to dismissal. The test to determine whether actions may be considered as wilful delay is as follows:
Deliberate action taken by an employee that causes mail to be delayed is called wilful delay. Where proven, such breaches of conduct can lead to dismissal, even for a first offence; indeed Wilful Delay is a criminal offence and can result in prosecution.
Is this a national agreement ?
new2me
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Re: Households at home ( Be Honest)

Post by new2me »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
ashadd wrote: mail must NEVER be taken home at the end of a delivery
they're doing this before delivery though :wink: