Door to door payments

[The_Wax_Man]

lol the day the Agreement signed in - over 20 yorks of d2d's delivered ready for sorting


Drop in mail - top up time coming in from April for delivery enhancement structure. - you all saw this coming.... right ?

[NewPostieUK]

Hi There,
Are the payments for door to doors pro-rata ?? I'm on a 28hr contract .

1. You don't get paid separately for Door to Doors.

2. I'm on a 30 hr contract and don't have to prep my Door to Doors, the person who preps my duty is meant to do it.

Ask your manager for a break-down, in writing, of what you are meant to do and when. You'll find out if you are meant to be doing them or not (probably not).

You should be prepping your own duty on 30 hours, 25 hrs get it prepped for them

Some 30 hr duties get it prepped, some 25 hr duties have to prep their own. It depends on the duty.

[mickeymacca]

I spoke to my union rep about this and he agreed that he's never understood why d2d payments are pro rata.

If a p/timer was paid a full Delivery Supplement they would be on a higher hourly rate than a f/timer.
How does a rep not understand that?
A p/timer who works overtime gets an enhanced overtime rate up to 39 hours to ensure they do get the full DS.

We are now on AGF 2014 and we are still discussing BT2010........

You can understand the confusion, it is not the most clear system. With regards to your explanation why was the delivery supplement not just incorporated into the hourly pay rate? It would have made the whole thing easier to understand.

New starters certainly in my experience have very limited training, and it is largely to what suits RM, such as manual handling training, or delivery procedures for various products. However the bits that are important to the employee such as explanation of pay rates, holiday procedures, T and S claims etc are overlooked. My induction 'day' involved the training officer dealing with various inquiries by the temporary Xmas staff that had just been made permanent, regarding pay arrears. In hindsight that was probably a good introduction to the way RM operates as my wages are regularly incorrect.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

You can understand the confusion, it is not the most clear system. With regards to your explanation why was the delivery supplement not just incorporated into the hourly pay rate?

The reason is that it's not paid to all staff just those who work in delivery offices, thus it would have been harder to put it into basic pay as the opg grade has workers in ither functions that do not get that allowance

[Sidley]

Plus it'd be harder to stop paying it which I imagine they will.

[fishtank]

You should be prepping your own duty on 30 hours, 25 hrs get it prepped for them

I work 39hrs and don't prep my own duty.

[mickeymacca]

You can understand the confusion, it is not the most clear system. With regards to your explanation why was the delivery supplement not just incorporated into the hourly pay rate?

The reason is that it's not paid to all staff just those who work in delivery offices, thus it would have been harder to put it into basic pay as the opg grade has workers in ither functions that do not get that allowance

Ok, although why not have a different pay rate for delivery staff and the other staff? You do a different job you get paid differently?

thanks for reply though, I may be taking thread off on a bit of a tangent, so I'll leave it there!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Ok, although why not have a different pay rate for delivery staff and the other staff? You do a different job you get paid differently?

thanks for reply though, I may be taking thread off on a bit of a tangent, so I'll leave it there!!

Semantics and a little bit of politics probably. The CWU were trumpting the fact that they had saved the D2D payment and transferred some of it into the Delivery Supplement (along with ESA1 and ESA2). Imagine trying to sell a deal to Mail Centre staff where delivery staff get a high basic wage, or trying to sell it delivery staff where D2D payments have been removed completely.

[mickeymacca]

Ok, although why not have a different pay rate for delivery staff and the other staff? You do a different job you get paid differently?

thanks for reply though, I may be taking thread off on a bit of a tangent, so I'll leave it there!!

Semantics and a little bit of politics probably. The CWU were trumpting the fact that they had saved the D2D payment and transferred some of it into the Delivery Supplement (along with ESA1 and ESA2). Imagine trying to sell a deal to Mail Centre staff where delivery staff get a high basic wage, or trying to sell it delivery staff where D2D payments have been removed completely.

Yeh fair point, although I personally don't see why that would be a problem. Drivers get more money than delivery staff and I have no issue with that they deserve it. I think we do a job being on the frontline, that covers a broader range of skill sets than that of a mail centre worker (though this is an ignorant claim based on zero knowledge of how a mail centre operates, so feel free to shoot me down in flames, but please do it politely).

There is a very much a culture of they are getting more paid than me, finish earlier than me, have an easier day than me that pervades the RM. Maybe I am a tad naive and that is life in general, but it is something I notice quite a lot and it has n't been so apparent in my previous employment, not a criticism just an observation.

[Harv12]

Hi There,
Are the payments for door to doors pro-rata ?? I'm on a 28hr contract .

1. You don't get paid separately for Door to Doors.

2. I'm on a 30 hr contract and don't have to prep my Door to Doors, the person who preps my duty is meant to do it.

Ask your manager for a break-down, in writing, of what you are meant to do and when. You'll find out if you are meant to be doing them or not (probably not).

You should be prepping your own duty on 30 hours, 25 hrs get it prepped for them

we have 2 33 hr contracts that get their jobs boxed in for them , they say 1hr and 30mins isn't long enough to prep a job, they come in with just a walksorted tray and a hand full of mail from the ips to sort and may be half a bag of packets left todo, gets on our tit's.

[coxybaby]

Hi There,
Are the payments for door to doors pro-rata ?? I'm on a 28hr contract .

1. You don't get paid separately for Door to Doors.

2. I'm on a 30 hr contract and don't have to prep my Door to Doors, the person who preps my duty is meant to do it.

Ask your manager for a break-down, in writing, of what you are meant to do and when. You'll find out if you are meant to be doing them or not (probably not).

You should be prepping your own duty on 30 hours, 25 hrs get it prepped for them

Depends on what has been agreed in the revision in that particular office.
There is no national uniformity in revisions, local arrangements/agreements are central to revisions.

I thought the delivery supplement was for the d2d's? Mine is less than that of a full timer. I'm on 24 hours a week and my households have never been prepped or thrown in.
The manager has promised us that she will ensure the guy covering our walk will do now his share... Let's see what happens eh!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I thought the delivery supplement was for the d2d's?

No it would be called a D2D supplement if that was true - although we used to get it.

The D2D payment was withdrawn as part of an agreement, but the Union say they got the budget for paying us D2Ds into paying us the Delivery Supplement. They also used the budget for Early Shift Allowances which FT lost at the same as D2D pay.

The delivery supplement is an hourly based payment which RM give us in recognition of the "special" challenges the Delivery Function faces daily, not just for D2Ds.