aiden01 wrote:well all I can say is a ft gets 40 mins just like del. yes I agree mc,s used to get extra breaks not anymore no work in your specific workarea you are required to work elsewhere good old days are gone just like delivery hope we agree
Fair enough, I have not been to a MC for about 2 years... but some have still said that they get like 15/30/15 but like I said it is not really point. Standing up all day in a MC doing packets e.g is no fun... No problems
What will it take to stop this,? it seems the Trade Union is not putting into place procedures to stop this. Will it end up with an employee being killed in the line of duty because the business has been neglient in its obligations on health and safety. Individual line Managers can now be held accountable under the The Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007. No longer will directors of companies be held solely responsable.
aiden01 wrote:well all I can say is a ft gets 40 mins just like del. yes I agree mc,s used to get extra breaks not anymore no work in your specific workarea you are required to work elsewhere good old days are gone just like delivery hope we agree
Fair enough, I have not been to a MC for about 2 years... but some have still said that they get like 15/30/15 but like I said it is not really point. Standing up all day in a MC doing packets e.g is no fun... No problems
some may still get get it chrisj but with all this wcm crap we don't get it in our mc anymore
gluteus maximus wrote:The employee has a responsability for his own health and safety, that is true. But only up the point any other like minded individual can interpret the same risk. The ultimate responsability lies with the employer
cloherty1976 wrote:I suppose that's were people in the mail centres have an advantage over delivery as they take there meal reliefs when they are told. As for network and professional drivers we have to take meal reliefs as it's the law. On delivery I suppose it's down to the individual if maybe they want to finish early they get the job done before taking a break. Your never please everyone what ever you do...
absolute bollox again cloherty we take our break when we are due to take it not when we are told to
Am I being stupid but isn't "taking your break when its due", and "taking it when you are told" just different ways of saying the same thing.
You can't know when your break is due unless you have been told at some point.
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gluteus maximus wrote:The employee has a responsability for his own health and safety, that is true. But only up the point any other like minded individual can interpret the same risk. The ultimate responsability lies with the employer
Heres a list of some of the practices that managers in my area and up and down the country get away with on a regular basis:
not enforcing use of mandatory delivery equipement designed to reduce wear on posties bodies
letting posties not take breaks
not stopping post to addresses that would be deemed dangerous if a risk assessment had actually taken place
not checking to see that posties have and use the correct PPE
expecting posties to single handedly lift heavy items upto 30kgs(some ofices deliver parcelforce items)
sending posties out in unroad worthy vans
not having a first aider on duty on every shift
sending posties out in inappropriate weather just so they can clear an office
All these practices go on to allow the postie to finish early and manager to clear office, as long as both happen everyone is happy, when one or the other stop then thats when issues get flagged up
It was ever thus, as long as the office is clear, other procedures can go,take a long walk off a short pier, whatever RM say about safety etc being their number one priority,which it is,unless something more important comes up , like getting the office clear. Until it all goes wrong of course.....
gluteus maximus wrote:The more i learn about this company, the more i despair. The only reason i can think that the business has lasted this long under its management structure is that it was state owned. Powers that be just looked the other way. i will put the CWU in that bracket alongside Royal Mail. From what i have noticed so far is a total disregard in anything that involves the welfare of its employees. A better word will be criminal. I am truly speechless
why are you so interested in rm.
gluteus maximus wrote:What will it take to stop this,? it seems the Trade Union is not putting into place procedures to stop this. Will it end up with an employee being killed in the line of duty because the business has been neglient in its obligations on health and safety. Individual line Managers can now be held accountable under the The Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act 2007. No longer will directors of companies be held solely responsable.
Take a chill pill GlueyMax. Why are you so interested in RM ?
Nothing wrong with a bit of research from another Trade Unionist although he might do well toning down the criticism or incredulity.
It is just like reading the CWU publications - anyone can do that and the CWU also makes reference to what is happening in other Unions and even Unions abroad.
It is nice to have an outside input because some of us within the organisation find it hard, ta times to make sense of what is going on. At least, it makes one feel a little saner in a RM world where...
cloherty1976 wrote:I suppose that's were people in the mail centres have an advantage over delivery as they take there meal reliefs when they are told. As for network and professional drivers we have to take meal reliefs as it's the law. On delivery I suppose it's down to the individual if maybe they want to finish early they get the job done before taking a break. Your never please everyone what ever you do...
absolute bollox again cloherty we take our break when we are due to take it not when we are told to
Am I being stupid but isn't "taking your break when its due", and "taking it when you are told" just different ways of saying the same thing.
You can't know when your break is due unless you have been told at some point.
can,t agree tbt if your break is say 5pm and manager says your break today is 6pm you just refuse they cannot make you change your break time.
A manager can tell you whatever time to take your break during the day. It is called operational requirements, as long as it is not at the start or end of your duty
The only exception will be professional driving regulations which is a statutory obligation
gluteus maximus wrote:A manager can tell you whatever time to take your break during the day. It is called operational requirements, as long as it is not at the start or end of your duty
The only exception will be professional driving regulations which is a statutory obligation
also technically for attendances less than 6 hours he would not be breaking the law by telling you to take it at the start or end of attendance (though would be in breach of collective agreements)
gluteus maximus wrote:A manager can tell you whatever time to take your break during the day. It is called operational requirements, as long as it is not at the start or end of your duty
The only exception will be professional driving regulations which is a statutory obligation
My apologies, i was of the understanding that Royal Mail had a predominantly full time work force. i make my assumptions on employees working more that 6 hours a day. It seems i am mistaken
