zx135 wrote: if you cant be bothered doing one part of the job correctly its a slipery slope where you start to go down, cutting corners here and there that you dont agree with, next it will be nesting d2d, then something else...
The use of the slippery slope informal fallacy is childish and illogical,why not go all the way and assume it will one day lead to theft?
Your starting point is also false,since the OPG always has the final say in whether it's safe to leave an item it is perfectly within my remit to decide that every place I may have access to and therefore by definition anyone has access to is unsafe.
I am doing the job correctly.
zx135 wrote: if you cant be bothered doing one part of the job correctly its a slipery slope where you start to go down, cutting corners here and there that you dont agree with, next it will be nesting d2d, then something else...
The use of the slippery slope informal fallacy is childish and illogical,why not go all the way and assume it will one day lead to theft?
Your starting point is also false,since the OPG always has the final say in whether it's safe to leave an item it is perfectly within my remit to decide that every place I may have access to and therefore by definition anyone has access to is unsafe.
I am doing the job correctly.
you originally stated you were not going to do it because of the potential grief, thats completely different to using your judgement to decide that every point you have access to is unsafe, my issue was your attitude that you cant be bothered with the potential grief as an excuse not to do the job properly thats immature
zx135 wrote:you originally stated you were not going to do it because of the potential grief, thats completely different to using your judgement to decide that every point you have access to is unsafe.
I then went on to describe exactly why that grief would occur..
If you leave it in a "safe place" and it gets nicked you have no proof you actually left it in the safe place to start with so obviously some suspicion will fall on you.Maybe not a lot if you're an experienced postie but if it happens a couple of times you will find yourself under surveillence by IB or whatever they're calling themselves now so why take the risk?
Are you being deliberately obtuse for the sake of an argument?
Sidley wrote:There's a note on one punter's door asking for parcels to be left with neighbours even if they're to be signed for.
Personally I am of the opinion that the sender is the customer and wants the signature of someone at the address not someone nearby so I never leave signed fors with neighbours. Am I wrong?
Thread hijack, sorry.
No, you're not wrong. Never leave signed for items with neighbours.
no thats wrong, you are supposed to attempt to leave signed for parcels with neighbours, the only ones you dont attempt are special delivery ones or at addresses where the recipient has opted out of deliver to neighbour, or if postie deems the neighbours address as unsafe, there is no blanket ban and doing such is not doing your job correctly
Its now in the terms and conditions of signed for etc so the sender has actually agreed to us delivering them to a neighbour in the event that the no one availible at the recipient address
Indeed, it's ridiculous that now it's fine for us to get a signature for a recorded item from a neighbour we've never seen and don't know even on the roughest street in town ( I don't ) yet officially we're not meant, other than 'Tracked', to leave anything in a safe place even when the greenhouse or outbuilding is far safer and more secure than the box on the roadside gatepost into which all the other mail routinely goes. ( I sometimes do )
exetererica wrote:So, I am on delivery. I knock with a parcel and the person isn't in.
I can either:
A) Write a P739 card out and put the parcel in my van and take it back to the depot
OR
B) Spend 5 mins to go snooping in the back garden, dodging the dog, standing on skateboards, necked by the washing line etc, to look for a shed, kennel, wheeled bin or greenhouse in which to leave the parcel, in order to do a 'favour' for a customer who doesn't give a hoot about me.
I then put my job further on the line to take another 2 mins and completely incriminate myself by writing a P739 to declare I've been in the garden, broken the greenhouse window, let the dog out and left the item to get soaking wet in an unlocked greenhouse.
I then get back to the depot after a 5 hour delivery, soaking wet, and my manager is waiting with the Safeguarding Of Customers Mail document, which I have signed, in his hand.
It's a tough choice.
You can either :
A) Make sensible comments on this discussion forum
OR
B) Expect to be ignored.
i never leave anything in a so called safeplace, had customers moaning the next day, always explain that if it then goes missing the usual first thing a customer does is contact rm to say its missing and ive then got the heat on my back, not worth the hassle
combo_king wrote:i never leave anything in a so called safeplace, had customers moaning the next day, always explain that if it then goes missing the usual first thing a customer does is contact rm to say its missing and ive then got the heat on my back, not worth the hassle
There's a guy in our place won't leave anything in a so-called "safeplace", neither will he leave stuff with neighbours. In fact he's of the mind that if people order stuff online they'd better bloody be in to take delivery because otherwise they are wasting his time, making him madder and madder each day. It's getting personal when customers go out to work, shopping, taking kids to school, etc. knowing they've a parcel due any day. I made the mistake of telling him to take a chill -pill.
"Everybody has a plan.. until they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson
exetererica wrote:So, I am on delivery. I knock with a parcel and the person isn't in.
I can either:
A) Write a P739 card out and put the parcel in my van and take it back to the depot
OR
B) Spend 5 mins to go snooping in the back garden, dodging the dog, standing on skateboards, necked by the washing line etc, to look for a shed, kennel, wheeled bin or greenhouse in which to leave the parcel, in order to do a 'favour' for a customer who doesn't give a hoot about me.
I then put my job further on the line to take another 2 mins and completely incriminate myself by writing a P739 to declare I've been in the garden, broken the greenhouse window, let the dog out and left the item to get soaking wet in an unlocked greenhouse.
I then get back to the depot after a 5 hour delivery, soaking wet, and my manager is waiting with the Safeguarding Of Customers Mail document, which I have signed, in his hand.
Is the safeplace instruction on the packet mandatory?
No it is not.
If a customer has a massive sign on their door with, ‘LEAVE THE PARCEL IN THE PLANT POT’, I don’t, because thieves can read too. So I make a judgement on what they consider to be a safe place.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
yet officially we're not meant, other than 'Tracked', to leave anything in a safe place even when the greenhouse or outbuilding is far safer and more secure than the box on the roadside gatepost into which all the other mail routinely goes. ( I sometimes do ) 
