Understanding the magnitude of this agreement

[Stella102]

sorry im still voting no. we have been sold down the river in a few years time we will be f@@cked

[toonslayer7]

yes you Network is covered by the full terms of the agreement.

Dvbuk you would not be happy with any agreement.

I recognise that individuals are entitled to their opinions but I do get concerned when people totally misrepresent what has been agreed.

With any legal document whether it's your car insurance or mortgage there are review clauses in exceptional circumstances.

It is important that people are given the right information regarding the difference between what we had previously in terms of national agreements which arise our f collective bargaining and what we now have in terms of a legally binding agreement.

Now your questing the pay resolution , well let's look at the original offer it was 2.6% in the first year , 3% in year 2 and 2.8% in year 3. We have moved £100 into the basic wage and front loaded the first year to 3%.

The previous offer was also linked us accepting the pension changes a no strike deal and changes to working praticses

Misrepresent an agreement? Like certain managers do already? Dingo, i fully understand your viewpoints and frustrations here, but if there is scope to interpret something in a different way to others then the wording is simply not good enough and offers no real protections from managers and their viewpoints? Let's be honest, lack of clarity in the past has caused untold problems, however well a rep knows his stuff, if there is a difference of opinion it will inevitably cause flash points.

[JaneM]

3. Your reference to it being a no strike deal shows you have not read the agreement.

Your reference to it being a right to review and then using the term force majeure shows that you have little understanding of legal documents or you are trying to pull the wool over some people's eyes.The two things are not the same and this is neither.

In a legal document the words are definitely the words and the document signed is the legal document not some explanatory side notes from one legal representation or the other.
The specific words of this legally binding contract are...

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

It can't be a force majeure clause because what triggers force majeure has to be outside the control of both parties and it's not a review clause because it doesn't mention review,It specifically mentions the discontinuation of the protections.

It is probably as blatant a "no national strike clause" as you'll see in any agreement and the fact that it's legally binding probably makes it the first legally binding "no strike agreement" in the history of UK trade unions.Thatcher would be so proud.
That's a hell of a landmark for the CWU.

Rather than trying to spin this into something it's not and basically lie to the membership the union should be upfront,Admit it is what it is and explain to the membership that the only way Royal Mail were going to give us legal protection was in return for a national no strike agreement and the tying up of the IR Framework in convoluted mediation which means local action is going to be next to impossible.

Be honest,front it and let the membership decide if the sacrifice was worth it,If the union decides not to it will get very difficult for the union if Royal Mail start playing hardball with workload,performance,pay and efficiency and the membership start to realise for themselves exactly what kind of mess we've gotten ourselves into.

Totally agree Fish,full transparency and then let the membership decide.....less of the semantics!

[cliffeyhez]

Not convinced by your arguments Dingo. You obviously have far more faith in RM than I do. I shall be voting NO!

[Big Daz]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

[aiden01]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

[dvbuk55]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

There's no Plan B, we did a great job, it's a ground breaking deal of the century, vote YES. There you are that's saved you a trip.

[aiden01]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

There's no Plan B, we did a great job, it's a ground breaking deal of the century, vote YES. There you are that's saved you a trip.

thought it was a landmark deal dave wards words not mine.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

There's no Plan B, we did a great job, it's a ground breaking deal of the century, vote YES. There you are that's saved you a trip.

thought it was a landmark deal dave wards words not mine.

Landmark - whether is the River Styx, Acheron or the Kawthar will depend on your own views, but they are all landmarks.

[Big Daz]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

There's no Plan B, we did a great job, it's a ground breaking deal of the century, vote YES. There you are that's saved you a trip.

Excellent, I can escort my daughter home from school, she will be most pleased.

[aiden01]

I have yet to decide on how to vote, will be waiting for the national briefings so as to understand Dave and co rationale for the proposed agreement contents.

well said wait until we all hear what they have to say.

There's no Plan B, we did a great job, it's a ground breaking deal of the century, vote YES. There you are that's saved you a trip.

thought it was a landmark deal dave wards words not mine.

Landmark - whether is the River Styx, Acheron or the Kawthar will depend on your own views, but they are all landmarks.

lol only time will tell whether its a landmark deal or not we shall see.

[clashcityrocker]

It's more Primark than landmark.

[aiden01]

It's more Primark than landmark.

its a deal for managers then they all love primark gear

[dvbuk55]

Excellent, I can escort my daughter home from school, she will be most pleased.

See we are seeing positives from this deal already BD - and we haven't even agreed it yet

[Big Daz]

Trip to London as well, walk the streets of my ancestors