worktotime wrote:I don't see the problem take what your entitled to why give them 40 mins extra work for nothing , me and my mate start on time 6.42 , and take 20 mins in the van when we have delivered one frame , feel better for it . then the other 20 when we have finished delivering then go back and claim overtime from 14.20. last van back . then you get people starting at 6 , no breaks running round to get finished on time , whos the idiots.
This is exactly what we do now but our manager wants us to take a break before we go out rather than in the van is this enforceable ?
Yes he can tell you when to take your break but not where.
However, he should also be acting in a fair manner with everyone. If he is enforcing break times. he should enforce it on EVERYONE.
Rep should deal with it, or if not, then someone will need to stick their neck out and perhaps go toe to toe with the manager (in an official and respectful sense).
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demon wrote:good on your manager he is helping you do the job right
How is he helping us do our job right by saying those who complete their deliveries don't have to take a break? I have already said we take our break daily just not when he says we should.
They'll be the ones doing your cut-offs then!
No,they're the ones getting paid overtime before they have finished their normal hours.
the answer to your question is yes your manager can make you take your break when he wants but if hes only doing it with the ones who cut off then that seems like victimization! get your rep on it!
halfull wrote:the answer to your question is yes your manager can make you take your break when he wants but if hes only doing it with the ones who cut off then that seems like victimization! get your rep on it!
halfull wrote:the answer to your question is yes your manager can make you take your break when he wants but if hes only doing it with the ones who cut off then that seems like victimization! get your rep on it!
Thank you.
no probs! if he is only selecting a few who he is telling when they must take their break and letting others take it when they like and im sure others are getting away with having no break at all then that to me is victimization clear as day! I would put a grievance in, better still your rep should get you all to put one in & get the area rep involved so everyone is treated fairly!
If your scheduled break is before you leave for delivery then you can go and sit in the van to take your break and then come back to the office
Basically, you are arguing for taking your break on delivery - the answer is that the manager can make you take a scheduled break before your delivery...
Yes, discrimination but where is the unity in the office?
You can be made to take a break before you go out.
But, people cannot be separated into two groups in the manner that has been described.
It applies to all, or none. Otherwise, it's discrimination.
The updated Code of Business Standards might be worth a mention.
It does state that managers should fairly treat all staff in the same way......
Plus, if it were me, I'd merely say no problem. But I'm taking the full 40 minutes.
demon wrote:good on your manager he is helping you do the job right
How is he helping us do our job right by saying those who complete their deliveries don't have to take a break? I have already said we take our break daily just not when he says we should.
They'll be the ones doing your cut-offs then!
Those finishing early are doing cut offs, and still finishing early or on time.
This is ghost overtime which is fraud and the management allow this to happen.
Is this happening elsewhere?
demon wrote:good on your manager he is helping you do the job right
How is he helping us do our job right by saying those who complete their deliveries don't have to take a break? I have already said we take our break daily just not when he says we should.
They'll be the ones doing your cut-offs then!
Those finishing early are doing cut offs, and still finishing early or on time.
This is ghost overtime which is fraud and the management allow this to happen.
Is this happening elsewhere?
ghost overtime is not fraud if its agreed to by the DOM
Was told by my union rep you have to take it before you go out but they the management cannot tell you when to take it before then so that is the answer as to further reference the "Way Forward Agreement"
k979aaa wrote:Was told by my union rep you have to take it before you go out but they the management cannot tell you when to take it before then so that is the answer as to further reference the "Way Forward Agreement"
management can tell you when to take your breaks before you go out or after or split, they just cant tell you where to take them, they also cant discriminate ie by saying everyone who cuts off must take it at set time but if you dont cut off take it when you want, also if its a single break and your attendance is over 6 hours they cannot tell you to take it at joined to the start or end of your shift
k979aaa wrote:Was told by my union rep you have to take it before you go out but they the management cannot tell you when to take it before then so that is the answer as to further reference the "Way Forward Agreement"
management can tell you when to take your breaks before you go out or after or split, they just cant tell you where to take them, they also cant discriminate ie by saying everyone who cuts off must take it at set time but if you dont cut off take it when you want, also if its a single break and your attendance is over 6 hours they cannot tell you to take it at joined to the start or end of your shift
k979aaa wrote:Was told by my union rep you have to take it before you go out but they the management cannot tell you when to take it before then so that is the answer as to further reference the "Way Forward Agreement"
management can tell you when to take your breaks before you go out or after or split, they just cant tell you where to take them, they also cant discriminate ie by saying everyone who cuts off must take it at set time but if you dont cut off take it when you want, also if its a single break and your attendance is over 6 hours they cannot tell you to take it at joined to the start or end of your shift
zx135 wrote:ghost overtime is not fraud if its agreed to by the DOM
Well it's certainly a practice that's against business policy so you could question whether a manager actually has the authority to agree it..
I think there was a manager sacked recently in one of the MCs for paying people for overtime they didn't work....he was allegedly taking a cut of the proceeds I think but I would imagine it would be enough for Royal Mail to know they were paying good money for nothing to throw a few P45s around and where the money actually ended up would be a minor technicality.
