No agreement So where is the Second ballot ?

[Cut Off King]

Originally posted on 16 Oct 2013 by fishtank

Industrial Action Ballot:Next Steps

Postby fishtank » 16 Oct 2013, 14:43
Dear Colleague,
Thank you for your support.
We have been clear from the outset that we want an agreement and privatisation makes this more important than ever. Your support has strengthened our position and the clock is now ticking for both sides to focus all their efforts on reaching that agreement.

The key debate is whether a privatised Royal Mail really wants a settlement. To build on the progress we have already made we have now offered the company another two weeks to conclude discussions. But if they are not prepared to make a new and improved offer and reach the agreement you deserve – we will hold a 24 hour strike on the 4th November.
It is your efforts that have significantly improved the fortunes of this company and we cannot allow private operators to maximise their profits by minimising the value of your job security, terms and conditions.

We cannot allow a private Royal Mail Group to enter the race to the bottom by replicating the employment practices and service standards of their competitors. This is why we have also announced, that if an agreement cannot be reached, we will soon hold a second ballot for action short of a strike enabling a boycott of the competitors’ mail

If necessary, a second ‘yes vote’, will also open up options for other tactics such as work to rules, overtime bans and non co-operation with unrealistic efficiency demands.
Privatisation is a setback – but regardless of ownership – our strategy was always designed to cover all eventualities and protect you from the impact of any sale and the continuing threat of unfair competition.With your continued support we are confident we will secure a long term legally binding agreement that will not only give you greater protection than any other group of UK workers – but will also determine the strategy, principles and values that the Royal Mail Group will have to operate under as a private entity.

We will keep you updated.
Yours sincerely,

Dave Ward Billy Hayes
DGS(P) General Secretary

So, when are we going to get a second ballot ?

[CLINTEASTWOOD]

Hello
i think the whole thing is becoming a fu!!ing mess if you ask me.
:crazy:trying to keep members motivated is a slog since we didnt go on strike on the 4th of november.

[coxie]

If the strike goes ahead if talks don't come good then I would expect them to ballot us again for all the other stuff.

[lala]

They are trying to reach an agreement, so by sending out ballot papers it will make any discussion more hostile and difficult.

[Glenno]

Since the postponment of I/A on the 4/11/13 everything has gone backward, including the 2nd Ballot, don't show your hand unless you need too, so to speak, if NO agreement by 13/11/13 then NOTICE HAS TO BE SERVED, and everything else comes out to play as well as the 2nd Ballot... Kapeish, Compreda, Understand...

[CLINTEASTWOOD]

Since the postponment of I/A on the 4/11/13 everything has gone backward, including the 2nd Ballot, don't show your hand unless you need too, so to speak, if NO agreement by 13/11/13 then NOTICE HAS TO BE SERVED, and everything else comes out to play as well as the 2nd Ballot... Kapeish, Compreda, Understand...

Yes
I agree with you totaly but like i said not all of the members see it that way,they think it should have gone ahead on the 4th.So some of them dont understand why, and keeping moral now is harder but i stress we will still make a strong stand.

[Glenno]

Since the postponment of I/A on the 4/11/13 everything has gone backward, including the 2nd Ballot, don't show your hand unless you need too, so to speak, if NO agreement by 13/11/13 then NOTICE HAS TO BE SERVED, and everything else comes out to play as well as the 2nd Ballot... Kapeish, Compreda, Understand...

Yes
I agree with you totaly but like i said not all of the members see it that way,they think it should have gone ahead on the 4th.So some of them dont understand why, and keeping moral now is harder but i stress we will still make a strong stand.

Keep the Faith Brother, Unity is the Strength, we are ALL in that same boat......................

[chrisj]

To be fair to the Union, the communique after stopping the Strike did say that the CWU and RM will refrain from making comments on the on-going agreement...

Patience, eh? But it is still interesting to speculate.

[bigal383]

keep the faith lads the cwu is behind us without them we wud be screwed. for all the idiots who voted no,if there in your office give them a back hander the #####

[haddie]

we do not need a second ballot as RM agreed to carry over the strike ballot to 20 november.

[Glenno]

we do not need a second ballot as RM agreed to carry over the strike ballot to 20 november.

haddie, read the thread, we was always gonna have a second Ballot. on everything short of Strike action

[chrisj]

But if the general consensus is that a work-to-rule and overtime ban is unworkable why would the Union want to expose themselves for a possible ballot fail? Or we get a situation that people vote Yes and then they do not follow through with actions?

My guess is that there will either be an Agreement before deadline with the Is and Ts not fully dotted because of time and a few other niggles. Or there will be an adjournment of the process - a cooling off period: a period of listening, learning, contemplating and looking at things with new and fresher perspectives.

[Glenno]

ChrisJ
How would you feel if the BOYCOTT kicked in

[Glenno]

Or there will be an adjournment of the process - a cooling off period: a period of listening, learning, contemplating and looking at things with new and fresher perspectives

, do you know why? History repeats and this time oh my god it is NOT gonna happen, I WOULD RATHER RESIGN FROM THE UNION THAN GO BACK ON INFERIOR TERMS/Pension terms/ workplace issues(B&H) and be involved in a fight to the bottom
what I hold know I would like to be holding in the future and some...

[martin the green]

interesting reading in "code of business standards " that we received today. would we be allowed to boycott down stream access?
that said you could drive a bus through most of the wording if you were so inclined!! as with all of our agreements, interpretation is the key