dvbuk55 wrote:Dunno why people are counting the shekels yet, our issue can only be cashed in three years from now at the earlieststokes11eg wrote:dvbuk55 wrote:Oh dear if only I hadn't been so principled I could have increased my tiny ........nest egg. Story of my life reallyAye, I like a man with principles. looks like a lot of posties have £ signs in their eyse! But they haven't actually go anything in their hands---yet. Just wait until the certificates come through, and see all the obstacles they will be full of.
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stokes11eg
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Re: Share price
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hantsman
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Re: Share price
Sorry these are real shares now, I don't think they will drop to badly.
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hantsman
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LinChong wrote:Before 3 years are up the share price will drop through the floor and the next Government will have to re-nationalise Royal Mail like they had to re-nationalise Railtrack. Anyone investors who don't sell now while the price is high will lose out. All the people in the know have already sold. It's only the mugs who hold the shares now.
You got a crystal ball? The only way these shares will go is up in the long term IMHO.
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chrisj
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Where can one start with these negative myths about share price in 3 or 5 years time and the supposed bad intentions of our employer and government:
* To answer the question about mugs holding on to the shares: Just who do you think are buying these shares at more than 50% over the value - not private investors! They have to be institutional investors, big hedge funds, pensions funds (including the one our pension is invested in), other fund managers and foreign investors looking for a safe return on their money...
*** Furthermore, there were 20 companies hand-picked by the government to invest in most of the shares - the believe is that they will hang on to the shares for the long-term. I believe most of them are doing so otherwise the share price will have fallen if they were all out there taking profit on the back of the high share price rise.
*** The people actually making the killing are private investors with their max £750 shares worth. The people making the biggest killing are actually Royal Mail staff that had the sense to invest big in their own company.
Royal Mail was undervalued - fact!
The current share price is most unlikely to be sustainable over a long term (3 or 5 years) - not to say it might not be but it will stop rising...
On the issue of the share price plummeting in 3 or 5 years time as predicted by some postie who believe that we are being conned:
Royal Mail is now part of the FTSE Index company. People will continue invest in blue chip companies especially one like RM which is almost a virtual monopoly, it makes decent profit, is in the process of more modernisation and can even get better with private funding. And people will continue to post things with RM - they have the largest network...
The worst case scenario is that Royal Mail will be taken over - then your shares will be bought from you at a decent price...
Just to wrap up (I could go on). Our CEO, managers and even us posties might continue to be rewarded with share options like they do in other private companies. The government is looking to change the rules on the share options to prevent short-termism: so they will not allow employees especially CEO and top managers to cash the share for a while... What this will do is that CEO and other vested interests will not allow their company to go under soon after they have cashed up.
This is all academic, of course. But it is much better than the uninformed myth going around.
* As you can see, even the threat of strike cannot shake the price too much because the underlying value and worth of the company is solid. We should be proud and build on these - after the dispute is over.
* To answer the question about mugs holding on to the shares: Just who do you think are buying these shares at more than 50% over the value - not private investors! They have to be institutional investors, big hedge funds, pensions funds (including the one our pension is invested in), other fund managers and foreign investors looking for a safe return on their money...
*** Furthermore, there were 20 companies hand-picked by the government to invest in most of the shares - the believe is that they will hang on to the shares for the long-term. I believe most of them are doing so otherwise the share price will have fallen if they were all out there taking profit on the back of the high share price rise.
*** The people actually making the killing are private investors with their max £750 shares worth. The people making the biggest killing are actually Royal Mail staff that had the sense to invest big in their own company.
Royal Mail was undervalued - fact!
The current share price is most unlikely to be sustainable over a long term (3 or 5 years) - not to say it might not be but it will stop rising...
On the issue of the share price plummeting in 3 or 5 years time as predicted by some postie who believe that we are being conned:
Royal Mail is now part of the FTSE Index company. People will continue invest in blue chip companies especially one like RM which is almost a virtual monopoly, it makes decent profit, is in the process of more modernisation and can even get better with private funding. And people will continue to post things with RM - they have the largest network...
The worst case scenario is that Royal Mail will be taken over - then your shares will be bought from you at a decent price...
Just to wrap up (I could go on). Our CEO, managers and even us posties might continue to be rewarded with share options like they do in other private companies. The government is looking to change the rules on the share options to prevent short-termism: so they will not allow employees especially CEO and top managers to cash the share for a while... What this will do is that CEO and other vested interests will not allow their company to go under soon after they have cashed up.
This is all academic, of course. But it is much better than the uninformed myth going around.
* As you can see, even the threat of strike cannot shake the price too much because the underlying value and worth of the company is solid. We should be proud and build on these - after the dispute is over.
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fishtank
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Re: Share price
There are two ways the shares could lose value.
The first is market value,If the company fails to provide the profits and therefore dividends that investors are looking for large investors like pension funds who are currently hoovering up the small investor's shares will pull out and take their money elsewhere,this kind of large scale withdrawal will obviously affect the share price.
The second is intrinsic value,If the company offloads parts of the business for short term financial gain like maybe ParcelForce or GLS and uses this value to pay dividends eventually this will affect the intrinsic value of the company and therefore the share price.
In order for the company to hold its share price it has to keep its investors happy and that means generating profits and dividends and that is bad news for all of us because there is a ceiling on pricing which we are already pretty close to and our major growth opportunity parcel delivery is a very competitive market.
Costs will be the big target and since 60% of costs are labour we should all be very aware exactly what that means.
The first is market value,If the company fails to provide the profits and therefore dividends that investors are looking for large investors like pension funds who are currently hoovering up the small investor's shares will pull out and take their money elsewhere,this kind of large scale withdrawal will obviously affect the share price.
The second is intrinsic value,If the company offloads parts of the business for short term financial gain like maybe ParcelForce or GLS and uses this value to pay dividends eventually this will affect the intrinsic value of the company and therefore the share price.
In order for the company to hold its share price it has to keep its investors happy and that means generating profits and dividends and that is bad news for all of us because there is a ceiling on pricing which we are already pretty close to and our major growth opportunity parcel delivery is a very competitive market.
Costs will be the big target and since 60% of costs are labour we should all be very aware exactly what that means.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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Dorset Plodder
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Re: Share price
Agree FT. We should all be worried about the future loss of jobs. Some people less than others, as we've obviously got quite a few experts in the Stock Market who should be able to step straight into a career in Banking! 
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
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chrisj
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Re: Share price
You should try not to worry... No amount of worrying is going to change anything...
This is a topic on share price after all. Did a cabbie not win Mastermind once - being a postie is not 'be all and end all'
It is good to exercise the brain sometimes...
Don't worry be Happy.
This is a topic on share price after all. Did a cabbie not win Mastermind once - being a postie is not 'be all and end all'
It is good to exercise the brain sometimes...
Don't worry be Happy.
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stokes11eg
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Re: Share price
This is a well written post. And points out some o0fthe many pitfalls on share ownership.( Remember the Wall Street Crash?) As a retired postie, I relly do hope that one day Posties can cash in and make a healthy profit, but in 3/5 years. so much can happen! Best stick these certificates to the back of the drawer for the time being. remember not so long ago, when folks were licking their fingers at the thought of cashing in their phantom shares¬¬¬fishtank wrote:There are two ways the shares could lose value.
The first is market value,If the company fails to provide the profits and therefore dividends that investors are looking for large investors like pension funds who are currently hoovering up the small investor's shares will pull out and take their money elsewhere,this kind of large scale withdrawal will obviously affect the share price.
The second is intrinsic value,If the company offloads parts of the business for short term financial gain like maybe ParcelForce or GLS and uses this value to pay dividends eventually this will affect the intrinsic value of the company and therefore the share price.
In order for the company to hold its share price it has to keep its investors happy and that means generating profits and dividends and that is bad news for all of us because there is a ceiling on pricing which we are already pretty close to and our major growth opportunity parcel delivery is a very competitive market.
Costs will be the big target and since 60% of costs are labour we should all be very aware exactly what that means.