ballot result

[UnhappyGremlin]

I have no idea why there is an insistence that there be a time limit set on terms and conditions, no one in this land has a cast iron guarantee that any business structure will survive long enough to ensure T and Cs will not be changed over a given period - 3 years in my mind is not sustainable let alone 5, 7 or 10. Providing that no changes would take place without agreement, which can only be discussed when the circumstances are known.

Pay and Pensions are the two factors which need to be agreed.

I actually agree with you.
I've long made the point that, should any person or company gather a majority shareholding, then they'd never honour any agreement.
I also don't believe any such agreement can be legally binding.

The only thing I will say is, if there isn't any majority shareholder that can gain overall control of RM at any point during the agreed time period, be it 3 years or 10 years, then maybe the union would be able to start court proceedings for breach of contract (or some similar angle of attack). But I severely doubt it, I just don't think it would hold up. So, whatever is agreed to, can be broken in my view.

I actually think the 3 year deal was aimed at keeping industrial relations workable, so that when (and it's inevitable in my opinion) the Government decides to sell off their remaining shares, they would be able to get the best possible price for them.

[viking1488]

If there is an overwhelming yes vote, there'll be no strike, as 7 yr deal has been agreed.

I take it that someone was dreaming this morning

[hans solo]

no,we heard same from union rep last week
cwu WILL accept 7yr protection tbh i thought they would have taken even as short as 5yr
dont know about pay heard 10% over 3 yrs

[gand]

I just hope one of the strike days is on Christmas eve!

[Shambles]

I just hope one of the strike days is on Christmas eve!

That wouldn't be fair on the public, they will be getting shafted twice, and we all have friends and family who will be sending and receiving cards etc, so I dont think that would ever happen...

I understand where your coming from tho be nice to relax at Christmas for a change, as I'm always too shattered to enjoy it

[db]

If there is an overwhelming yes vote, there'll be no strike, as 7 yr deal has been agreed.

""Look at me, look at me""

Bollox

[adamanti]

Always negative. Maybe our Ts and Cs will improve,,,,,,,,,,,,, RM made 400 million+ profits in the last year and if this was to improve to say 500 million+ i'm sure the company would reward it's workforce and not just the executives!!!!

[meweavy]

I have no idea why there is an insistence that there be a time limit set on terms and conditions, no one in this land has a cast iron guarantee that any business structure will survive long enough to ensure T and Cs will not be changed over a given period - 3 years in my mind is not sustainable let alone 5, 7 or 10. Providing that no changes would take place without agreement, which can only be discussed when the circumstances are known.

Pay and Pensions are the two factors which need to be agreed.

I actually agree with you.
I've long made the point that, should any person or company gather a majority shareholding, then they'd never honour any agreement.
I also don't believe any such agreement can be legally binding.



Im wondering if and when the time comes that a major shareholder takes the majority share, could it be TNT?
They are already setting up a postal network,could they be testing the water for a royal mail takeover?
If this is the case then we will all be screwed.

The only thing I will say is, if there isn't any majority shareholder that can gain overall control of RM at any point during the agreed time period, be it 3 years or 10 years, then maybe the union would be able to start court proceedings for breach of contract (or some similar angle of attack). But I severely doubt it, I just don't think it would hold up. So, whatever is agreed to, can be broken in my view.

I actually think the 3 year deal was aimed at keeping industrial relations workable, so that when (and it's inevitable in my opinion) the Government decides to sell off their remaining shares, they would be able to get the best possible price for them.

[meweavy]

Always negative. Maybe our Ts and Cs will improve,,,,,,,,,,,,, RM made 400 million+ profits in the last year and if this was to improve to say 500 million+ i'm sure the company would reward it's workforce and not just the executives!!!!

Royal mail chiefs said they made £400 million profit just before they announced privatisation.
Convenient, would the profit be so high if it wasn't being privatised?

[dazzlin72]

It was only when the privatisation was announced that RM disclosed the fact of the 10 yr tax exemption, which was an own goal & played into the unions hands.

[Godric]

safe for 10 year ?

the way the job is going we will all be f*cked in 10 years walking with the aid of crutches or zimmer frames

[viking1488]

no,we heard same from union rep last week
cwu WILL accept 7yr protection tbh i thought they would have taken even as short as 5yr
dont know about pay heard 10% over 3 yrs

cwu WILL accept 7yr protection looks like we will be at the gate for most of the winter then

[daveyeff]

Next Wednesday is the closing day for votes to come in, will we hear the result the same day? Can't remember what happened last time.

Yes the result is set to be announced on Wednesday.
Assuming it's a yes vote, I'd expect a strike to be announced no later than Friday.
Though, probably before, I mean, why wait?
Unless RM and the CWU enter into new talks with the result in mind.....

they've got to give a weeks notice though.

[POSTMAN]

If there is an overwhelming yes vote, there'll be no strike, as 7 yr deal has been agreed.

You've started summin on CWU FB!

[POSTMAN]

From a DIV rep on Facebook...

For the record due to a serious domestic issues there were no national talks last week so there is no settlement. We will get a big yes vote Wednesday and a better deal either before or after a strike !

There are still fundamental differences !