totally against this action

[DGP1]

if you only have one point of view you only see one thing ex rm is not and never has been what some people see as he enemy,he just had a good job that went to shi? and has paid the price of his beliefs

the enemy of my enemy comes to mind folks

or

the best way to beat your enemy is to get into his mind and know how he thinks

and this site is suposed to be for all rm or ex rm staff to air their views if not, we are no better than those toss pots on the other sites,postman allows us a lot of slack on this site lets use it properly

sorry about spelling and grammer when i got back from the line this morning i found a few bottles of rose i had forgotten about and am getting rid of them before they go off

[the undertaker]

it is time to disect you on my slab and dispatch you to hell with all the other spineless septic strike breakers

[Ex RM Manager]

*gets out red pen*

it's spelt dissect.

[DGP1]

*gets out red pen*

it's spelt dissect.

[norbet colon]

*gets out red pen*

it's spelt dissect.

I'm sorry but this has got silly. Boggie 40 deserves what he gets for going into the Lion's den . The laughable irony on that site was that a troll was acting as a RM mod, but please don't play into that right wing site's hands . I've done 4 strikes with a big Union and we got absolutely shafted by the Tory Government but I can remember half decent old school managers were only too happy to take the money because they couldn't work with the idiots in charge .My old boss got moved sideways as they no longer had confidence in his supervisoral abilities -in plain English it was you disagreed with the smiling Assassin. Staff spoke well of that boss. Locally a rare good manager was threatened with being put back into Uniform as his heart wasn't apparently in his job. Go for Managers by all means ,but go for the dreadful Senior Managers and the brainless parasites who try to impress them in this dumb culture those spivs have created.

[johno47]

Certain people on here, and we all know who they are, can go on and on about we should accept change and modernisation, lets just step back a minute we are in this mess because of poor management decisions that have cost this company millions of pounds, even the current two t**ts at the top have dropped b***ocks, and they have all made mistakes for the same reason, because they didnt consult the union or the workforce, who would have gladly put ideas forward for us all to take RM forward, and fought the goverment and competitors side by side with management, had they bothered to ask, :cfo and :lfo dont want to take RM forward, they just want to make as many savings as possible in the short time that they have so they can get their huge bonuses, just remember that the £1.2 billion lent by the goverment was lent on the condition that RM make savings in the business, and we are the easiest and quickest way to make them savings, doesnt it matter to you that goverment took £5.2 billion over 20 years out of this business while taking a 13 year pension holiday and yes ive heard all the bullshit about not being allowed to put money in because of tax, but they could have bought property with the money that was in the fund, thus allowing contributions from RM, when i started i was in POSS, after a few years it was closed as a paid up pension and anybody else joining RM went into POPS but because it wasnt doing very well they joined the two up, so yes i am a little bit pissed, the workers of RM have been backshafted by total incompetance at the top and we still have spineless arogant t**ts going on about we should accept everthing were told, sorry but i will carry on fighting, if you dont like it then may i suggest you find other employment elsewhere, there are plenty of bosses out there who treat their employees like s**t, so i am sure you will feel right at home and we wont have to read your spineless bleating...UNITY IS STRENGTH

[POSTMAN]

Personally i don't mind 'EX' ok he's said a few silly bits and as i've mentiond to him before,seems some of the stuff he's saying is not his field.
Also if true,godda give a bit of credit for standing up to his higher Management.

I know what EX did and it wasn't front line.

We seem to be getting some numnuts on here lately that are just posting bollox,at least EX gives a bit of good stuff (Not on par with the Fozzmeister yet tho) so he aint all bad.

if you cant have a debate on here without resorting to swearing/abusive language then in my opinion you have lost the argument already manager/postie alike

If EX wants to talk some good stuff then i'll listen,but if he and any other screw just wants to spout the party line then i aint interested and no doubt neither are you lot.

I can't stand 99% of front line Management,we aint had a decent one on here yet,most of them are scum.
Fill us in with some good s**t EX,you must know some stuff that we aint allowed to know.

[the undertaker]

*gets out red pen*

it's spelt dissect.

i am only a stupid postman,i dont know how to spel,suit you better to post worthwhile messages ,why respond like a 12 year old girl with a head full of michael jackson and lollypops

[boggie]

this about some up the losing battle being fought. every man and his dog knows the state of the economy, except those clowns in their ivory towers in union headquarters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7032217.stm

[stephen500]

this about some up the losing battle being fought. every man and his dog knows the state of the economy, except those clowns in their ivory towers in union headquarters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7032217.stm

But the wage restraint or bad conditions never apply to the senior managers do they.
I mean a 2 and half percent rise on a million is not much to get by on.
Also working more then one day a week is a bit much to ask!
Unfortunatly i don't know the pension of the chairman.
What about MPs
An MPs parliamentary salary is £60,277 from 1 November 2006
Then there is their pension and its nothing like the Royal Mail one:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ens213.xml
''MPs voted to improve the benefits of their pension two years ago, so that it accrues at a rate of one fortieth of final salary for each year. They also increased their contributions into the scheme to nine per cent of salary.

As a backbencher is paid more than £57,000 and the maximum pension allowed under Inland Revenue rules is two thirds of final salary, then the most valuable pension for them today is £38,000.

MPs' pensions, like most of those on the public payroll, are index-linked and provide widows' benefits, which makes them more expensive. Legal & General said it would cost £1,029,254 to buy an annuity today producing the same income for a 65-year-old man in the private sector.

Adrian Boulding, an actuary at the insurer which manages £146 billion for more than a million pension savers, said MPs have to contribute to their scheme for 26 years to obtain maximum benefits.

So, at nine per cent of salary, and allowing for pay rises averaging three per cent per annum over that period of more than a quarter of a century, an MP will pay in a total of £241,500. That would produce a pension of nearly £93,000 a year for the MP 26 years later.

But, if exactly the same contributions are paid into a private sector pension over the same period, then they would produce less than a quarter of that. Mr Boulding said that, assuming investment returns of seven per cent per annum within the plan and deducting one per cent per annum management charges, then the pension would be only £22,300 in 26 years.

Because of the cost of tax relief on pension contributions, Inland Revenue rules restrict the maximum sums that can be paid into pensions. Mr Boulding said: "No individual would be allowed to pay in sufficient contributions to buy a pension of £92,946 per annum.''

[Ex RM Manager]

Senior Managers have 'agreed' to a 0.0% pay rise this year, so yes, it does affect Senior Managers. Not me, i was never a "Senior" manager.

[norbet colon]

this about some up the losing battle being fought. every man and his dog knows the state of the economy, except those clowns in their ivory towers in union headquarters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7032217.stm

1 Crozier tried a wage freeze as a gamble , this has been tried with BT and race to the bottom management but with very overpaid Fat Cats at the top like RM, that didn't work so it was 2.5% and strings , the strings were then reduced from 22 to 5 then Royal put even more strings in ,but
this is the RM ; logic ,morality , communications , trust and transparency and common sense are ailen concepts . 2 . THis is about the CBI, true blue Tories to the bone , though Gordon is not adverse to employing some ex CBI people in his "big tent politics ".
3 The CBI bosses would rather be undercutting and vying with each other over who could treat thier "cheap disposable dross " the worst . They'd rather have the fragmentation caused by privatisation and turn the clock back years with outdated hierarchies rather than having modern progressive management and having creative productive use out of them .No loyalty given none expected like RM , apart from it's Senior Managers of course.
4 These 90's spivs and brylcreemed gangsters would rather have migrant workers for £3 ph
Though don't take any notice of me with industrial politics as all I know about 70's Command & Control management , dysfunctional from the top down and perverse politics and unheard layers of management in the private sector . I only support those clowns in their ivory towers in Wimbledon but those clowns are better than the two idiots from Old St whose purgative medicine is worse than the disease and trying to kill the patient.
5 As for Business Savvy and Commercial Realities , the RM culture is for the benefit of it's top heavy management , very savvy ? , those Senior Managers only real purpose is getting their weak middle management to toe their line and Junior management to be their lackies as we've noticed from the fly by night posters who've come on this forum.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

this about some up the losing battle being fought. every man and his dog knows the state of the economy, except those clowns in their ivory towers in union headquarters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7032217.stm

So your capitalist heroes have mis-managed the economy. That's their fault, not ours. I fail to see why we should have to bail them out by allowing our pay and conditions deteriorate. Perhaps you should pull Leightons arse from around your ears.

[moon71]

If this was Postman chat, the rival site, an you wrote something pro CWU, you'd be kicked of an banned. Why cant we silence this gobshite?

[POSTMAN]

If this was Postman chat, the rival site, an you wrote something pro CWU, you'd be kicked of an banned. Why cant we silence this gobshite?

We/I aint like them!!!!