Royal Mail's take on the pay offer.

[dvbuk55]

As well as the line in the sand it should be made quite clear to RM that there is also a time scale and not an endless round of chattering - this is the line, this is the time scale, this is the ballot date and this is when IA begins.

[k979aaa]

The deal has been rejected.

It couldn't have been accepted because it did not meet the aspirations of the membership,included an acceptance of the pension changes which the union would have been crucified on these boards for and a "no strike bribe" which would have made any potential fight against privatisation impossible.

It also failed to spell out what the strategy for growth might be and any potential protection on terms and conditions were limited and not legally binding.

Now we know where we are and we move on.
The union and Royal Mail are still in talks so we should know pretty soon whether RM consider this their line in the sand and whether we will have to drag them screaming and kicking over to where our line is.

This pay offer lacks
1 A good pay offer for our efforts to bring this company (once great service) into profit once again!.
2 Workplace issues how we are expected to work and unacceptable management procedures!.
3 The pension issue yet again royalmail will not accept it's responsibility's to its hard working staff!.
4 Competition How will royalmail meet the challenge to our market this is the telling one if they cannot give any answers to this we know where the senior management futures are!.
5 Privatisation How can we know any deals cut now not be worthless next year?. Not only that all our job's pay and conditions holidays sick pay even hours however long you have been their will change radically!.
These are the five salient points which we must all consider long and hard.

[noggin1969]

With any deal with Royal Mail that offers jam tomorrow only two words are needed = colleague shares

[k979aaa]

They'll be some fantastic WTLL spin sessions to get this one across to everyone

Coming to your office tomorrow.

[cyclemech1]

We will confirm that contracts of employment and terms and conditions for existing employees and employees hired into the core network remain on the same basis at least for the three-year period of this settlement unless varied by mutual consent

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they'll offer £XXXX to change contracts well within the three year period and all the short sighted numpties will vote to accept it and there you go, you're all screwed.

[BarnsleyLackey]

Nice one Fishtank. You know, those tools in Westminster bang on about employers placing their workers in workplace pensions; we're in one, and they're determined to wreck it.

[UnhappyGremlin]

It's a s**t offer, and the union had no choice but rejection.
Had they proposed it to members, then they really would have lost our confidence in them totally.

It is my genuine belief that, had this come in, we would never have seen the 2nd and 3rd pay rises, as by then we would have been privatised, and the new owner, or the new board, would have frozen pay.

Overall, the 'gains' or improved pay were far outweighed by the ultimate costs to us in terms of pension loss, T&C's worsening, and the fact there was no guarantee that the deal would have come close to being honoured.

My own manager actually couldn't believe it was rejected. And said were in for a WTLL session tomorrow. I assume that RM has instructed these to happen country wide, to persuade us it's a good offer. Of course, in the press, RM will now call us unreasonable/greedy etc., and insist that the whole thing is about pay only.

[k979aaa]

It's a s**t offer, and the union had no choice but rejection.
Had they proposed it to members, then they really would have lost our confidence in them totally.

It is my genuine belief that, had this come in, we would never have seen the 2nd and 3rd pay rises, as by then we would have been privatised, and the new owner, or the new board, would have frozen pay.

Overall, the 'gains' or improved pay were far outweighed by the ultimate costs to us in terms of pension loss, T&C's worsening, and the fact there was no guarantee that the deal would have come close to being honoured.

My own manager actually couldn't believe it was rejected. And said were in for a WTLL session tomorrow. I assume that RM has instructed these to happen country wide, to persuade us it's a good offer. Of course, in the press, RM will now call us unreasonable/greedy etc., and insist that the whole thing is about pay only.

Well said let the battle begin this will be the fight of our life's.