Don't waste your time,the fact that the trolley is not directly behind you but behind and to the side of you has escaped him.
In order to avoid both running over and stepping in dog crap you would have to monitor both your path and the path of the trolley as well as trying to avoid the usual street furniture.
I would suggest that kind of detailed attention to the footpath is probably dangerous.
You will run over s**t,it's inevitable no matter how careful you are and there is nothing in place to address this and yes even microscopic contact with dog faeces can be extremely hazardous to your health.
fishtank wrote:Don't waste your time,the fact that the trolley is not directly behind you but behind and to the side of you has escaped him.
In order to avoid both running over and stepping in dog crap you would have to monitor both your path and the path of the trolley as well as trying to avoid the usual street furniture.
I would suggest that kind of detailed attention to the footpath is probably dangerous.
Well if you consider that the trolley is controlled using a central handle placed in line with your shoulder/leg, that effectively means that you only need to be able to scan to within 32cm to your left or right depending upon your handedness, (the outer wheel span is just short of 64cm), The other half of the trolley should remain directly behind you since an average adults width exceeds the remaining 32cm. Then when you take account of the fact that your wheel/tyre width is only 4cm, thats really not a whole lot of pavement area to scan when walking is it. (even allowing for arm movement you only need to be able to see the offending crap within an area of between 20cm and 40cm to either your left or right).
Surprising ain't it - Royal Mail introduce trolleys - but then don't introduce secure storage facilities on the roof or inside the body of teh vehicle - its almost as though they don't want people to use them.
I don't use them yet (not P&L'd) but wouldn't an old mail bag, perhaps cut in two, be a good method, lay the bag, put trolley on, fold top part of cut bag over top of trolley.
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SP115 wrote:There's hooks inside the vans ('12 plate pug vans) near the back doors to hang the LWT's so the wheels dont touch the Interior of the van or bags.
Our 07 combi's have got cassette player's in them,we even have an 05 transit.
fishtank wrote:Don't waste your time,the fact that the trolley is not directly behind you but behind and to the side of you has escaped him.
In order to avoid both running over and stepping in dog crap you would have to monitor both your path and the path of the trolley as well as trying to avoid the usual street furniture.
I would suggest that kind of detailed attention to the footpath is probably dangerous.
Well if you consider that the trolley is controlled using a central handle placed in line with your shoulder/leg, that effectively means that you only need to be able to scan to within 32cm to your left or right depending upon your handedness, (the outer wheel span is just short of 64cm), The other half of the trolley should remain directly behind you since an average adults width exceeds the remaining 32cm. Then when you take account of the fact that your wheel/tyre width is only 4cm, thats really not a whole lot of pavement area to scan when walking is it. (even allowing for arm movement you only need to be able to see the offending crap within an area of between 20cm and 40cm to either your left or right).
You should try going past a kebab shop on Saturday morning,running over dog sh1t is the healthy option compared to what is splattered all over the pavement.
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Surprising ain't it - Royal Mail introduce trolleys - but then don't introduce secure storage facilities on the roof or inside the body of teh vehicle - its almost as though they don't want people to use them.
I don't use them yet (not P&L'd) but wouldn't an old mail bag, perhaps cut in two, be a good method, lay the bag, put trolley on, fold top part of cut bag over top of trolley.
Good idea,but no room in most vans,trolleys are just chucked on top of the general mess in the back and ,depending on who is driving the whole lot gets mixed up after the first corner,anything less than a Transit is too small on most days.
Himaggen wrote:I've given you an answer as did clashcityrocker.
If you are careful you should not get dog crap on your wheels. If you are not careful then you'd deal with the problem in much the same way as if you were to carelessly get it on your shoe; Clean it off the best you can with what's available and clean it properly later. When only partly cleaned ensure that it makes as little contact with van and mail surfaces as possible.
Don't expect your Manager or another Colleague to clean it off for you or provide you with materials for cleaning something which is only a result of your lack of care!
LOL..this made me laugh....I sometimes used to deliver to a local council estate where the only place to avoid dog poo was the ROAD......pavements were always littered with dog poo....so the only way around this problem is either use the road....or literally zig zag around each turd(we are talking dozens here/.hundreds)...(even local chavs walked on the roads which says it all)..lack of care....I would love to have seen you on this particular walk just to see how far you would have got b4 you succumbed to the inevitable....
If you are careful you will never get bitten by a dog
If you are careful you will never catch your fingers in a letterbox
If you are careful your cycle will never fall over
If you are careful you will never trip on a mech box
If you are careful you will never drop any mail
If you are careful etc etc etc
postypie wrote:I sometimes used to deliver to a local council estate where the only place to avoid dog poo was the ROAD......pavements were always littered with dog poo....so the only way around this problem is either use the road....or literally zig zag around each turd(we are talking dozens here/.hundreds)...(even local chavs walked on the roads which says it all)..lack of care....I would love to have seen you on this particular walk just to see how far you would have got b4 you succumbed to the inevitable....
Well I'm glad you brought it up…
When undertaking the outdoor element, the onus is on the delivery person to perform their own dynamic risk assessment. If they feel that they cannot continue their route safely then they should endorse the mail, return it tothe office and inform a Manager.
The Manager is responsible for ensuring that the hazard is removed or reduced to the lowest level reasonably practicable in order for safe route of access to be restored.
postypie wrote:I sometimes used to deliver to a local council estate where the only place to avoid dog poo was the ROAD......pavements were always littered with dog poo....so the only way around this problem is either use the road....or literally zig zag around each turd(we are talking dozens here/.hundreds)...(even local chavs walked on the roads which says it all)..lack of care....I would love to have seen you on this particular walk just to see how far you would have got b4 you succumbed to the inevitable....
Well I'm glad you brought it up…
When undertaking the outdoor element, the onus is on the delivery person to perform their own dynamic risk assessment. If they feel that they cannot continue their route safely then they should endorse the mail, return it tothe office and inform a Manager.
The Manager is responsible for ensuring that the hazard is removed or reduced to the lowest level reasonably practicable in order for safe route of access to be restored.
So this particular estate. Which was well known by other posties and managers for the amount of sh.it on each and every street+most gardens/paths....should have had all these turds removed by managers then?
In all the years I have worked at RM..20+..in my humble opinion.....every single manager I have come across has literally been sh.it scared to go on any council estate where I used to work...even for dog bites/accidents on duty.... On the very rare occasions they do venture out...they would go in groups of twos/threes and fours....to ask them to remove dog sh.it or get the council to remove the problem...no chance....they would be more concerned with elastic bands on the shop floor.....RM managers are unique ..coming from a building trade background where managers mucked in..knew what they were doing+ told workers what they wanted and worked together to achieve the best results for all concerned and treated workers as adults+ Even friends....coming to RM was a huge culture shock to me when I first started.
postypie wrote:I sometimes used to deliver to a local council estate where the only place to avoid dog poo was the ROAD......pavements were always littered with dog poo....so the only way around this problem is either use the road....or literally zig zag around each turd(we are talking dozens here/.hundreds)...(even local chavs walked on the roads which says it all)..lack of care....I would love to have seen you on this particular walk just to see how far you would have got b4 you succumbed to the inevitable....
Well I'm glad you brought it up…
When undertaking the outdoor element, the onus is on the delivery person to perform their own dynamic risk assessment. If they feel that they cannot continue their route safely then they should endorse the mail, return it tothe office and inform a Manager.
The Manager is responsible for ensuring that the hazard is removed or reduced to the lowest level reasonably practicable in order for safe route of access to be restored.
So this particular estate. Which was well known by other posties and managers for the amount of sh.it on each and every street+most gardens/paths....should have had all these turds removed by managers then?
In all the years I have worked at RM..20+..in my humble opinion.....every single manager I have come across has literally been sh.it scared to go on any council estate where I used to work...even for dog bites/accidents on duty.... On the very rare occasions they do venture out...they would go in groups of twos/threes and fours....to ask them to remove dog sh.it or get the council to remove the problem...no chance....they would be more concerned with elastic bands on the shop floor.....RM managers are unique ..coming from a building trade background where managers mucked in..knew what they were doing+ told workers what they wanted and worked together to achieve the best results for all concerned and treated workers as adults+ Even friends....coming to RM was a huge culture shock to me when I first started.
Couldn't agree more. I joined RM several years ago from a background in finance and can't believe the incompetence shown by every single one of the managers I have encountered. And their own bosses are no better. Say what you like about privatisation, but at least most of the incompetent managers we have to endure will be a thing of the past.It won't happen overnight but they will slowly start to disappear I can assure you.At first I just assumed we had a couple of bad ones but years later I now understand this is the norm. It's shocking.
As to the point in question, it's impossible to avoid rolling your trolley through dog crap at some point and if you don't notice it it WILL get onto the bags. The postmen at our office will use trolleys when they are needed but if the bags are not heavy will simply carry them in the traditional manner, which makes perfect sense.
Himaggen wrote:<snip />
The Manager is responsible for ensuring that the hazard is removed or reduced to the lowest level reasonably practicable in order for safe route of access to be restored.
So this particular estate. Which was well known by other posties and managers for the amount of sh.it on each and every street+most gardens/paths....should have had all these turds removed by managers then?
That's not what I said, it is your Managers responsibility to deal with the issue you've raised. It's not yours or my job to tell them how to do it.
I may have suggestions like informing the local Council who under the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005 have the power to set up Dog Control Orders with fixed penalties or fines up to £1000. When it becomes apparent to your struggling Council that they can make money from this it will not take long for them to set it up nor for the owners to start to comply.
