trolleys

[SP115]

What I don't get is why we are still forced to use a trolley when, On a light day (tues) there can be 1 bundle per loop weighing no more than 2kg with no packets.. Yet I have to push an empty trolley around lol..

What i don't get is why I'm forced do do extra work because idiots like you want to cut corners no matter how much mail, you people want to run around carrying bags and such like, coming in early, i'm a jobs worth for working my paid hours right? taking breaks? how dare i have a cup of tea when you are cutting up the job? sorry but f**k YOU idiot, i'm tired of you and your like within RM, maoning about the union while doing EVERYTHING to f**k it up for everyone else, speak to the hand knob jockey

Holy s**t? Wow back up on the insults fella.

I don't come in early, Never have. I take all my break and I don't cut corner's so dont start on me when you know nothing.

I gladly use a trolley, nore do I 'run around' , I was just questioning why on light days with 1 small bundle per loop and no packets I have to push the empty trolley around. You say it shouldnt be empty as I should have the bundle in there and retrieving mail from it at each delivery point? Well, As All my rounds are built up terrace houses, That would mean putting the bundle in the bag for 2 seconds, to take it out again, rinse and repeat x600. Now on some rounds where houses are a few minutes apart yes I agree, Not 5 feet apart.

So, Before you start giving it all the E-warrior 'I'm far superior behind a keyboard' bollocks, Think first knobhead.

[Himaggen]

I was just questioning why on light days with 1 small bundle per loop and no packets I have to push the empty trolley around. You say it shouldnt be empty as I should have the bundle in there and retrieving mail from it at each delivery point? Well, As All my rounds are built up terrace houses, That would mean putting the bundle in the bag for 2 seconds, to take it out again, rinse and repeat x600. Now on some rounds where houses are a few minutes apart yes I agree, Not 5 feet apart.

So what's your issue with the two second rinse and repeat six hundred times?

Look if your Managers are ridiculous enough to enforce the pushing an trolley when it patently isn't required then take the ridiculous route too.

[Himaggen]

What it does show on your part though is a lack of relevant delivery experience,with or without a trolley.

What it actually highlights is attention to where I'm walking.

In the last 3½ years, I have never managed to wheel a LWT through dog crap but I admit to being unable to manoeuvre a HCT around it and having stepped in bird s**t!

[BarnsleyLackey]

I'm blown away that this hasn't happened to someone. I've lost count the dogsh*t I've rolled through. In response to the stealth quote - careful when walking over leaves!
All you can do after getting most of it off, is try and make an empty space for the trolley, so it's at least not laid on your bags...And invest in wetwipes.

[Lincox]

I agree with Fish. If you are continually looking at the wheels of the trolley whilst on delivery, you are certainly not aware of the many hazards that might cross your path which might cause far more harm than a nasty piece of sh.t cementing itself to the wheels of your trolley.

[Himaggen]

I agree with Fish. If you are continually looking at the wheels of the trolley whilst on delivery, you are certainly not aware of the many hazards that might cross your path which might cause far more harm than a nasty piece of sh.t cementing itself to the wheels of your trolley.

Absolute rubbish, the trolley is being pulled, it's behind you, you are not looking at its wheels.

What you are doing is not reading the mail and watching where you are walking and surprise surprise the trolley in your hand will follow you because you have control of it! All you have to do is watch where you are walking, if you see dog crap on the pavement in front of you then manoeuvre yourself and the trolley around it. It's not difficult and in my opinion anyone incapable of this simple task shows me a 'lack of relevant delivery experience'.

[Lincox]

More full you if you are continually pulling it. The worse thing possible over the longer term.

[foodforthought]

surely you are not pushing a lwt?

why is pulling it wrong over long term?

[kjm]

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Hi guy's......just got one question regarding lightwheight trolley's, and bear in mind, have raised this question with senior managers and cwu reps, ........and not had a definitive answer "what do i do if i get dog crap on my trolley"?

I try and clean it off.......but sometimes i don't spot it right away....no harm done really, am only walking the streets.......but, if i do not spot it on a trolley wheel, it gets put in the back off the van, and b4 you know it, there is dog muck over everything...mail, packets and van interior. I am all for lwt's......but am against putting mine or my p/l partners health at risk.Or customer's for that sake. So, i ask again....what do the business want me to do if i get dog crap on my wheels?

As the Senior Manager or CWU Rep I'd first ask you how you managed to run your trolley through some dog crap!
It's not as if the crap was crossing your path from beyond your periphery, was disguised as a paving slab or waiting for you in stealth or invisible mode.

If you cannot see what is in front of you whilst walking then I'd suggest that you are not paying enough attention. If you cannot pay sufficient attention when on delivery then that would be a far greater worry in terms of Health and Safety.

As clashcityrocker suggested you treat it in the same way as you would had you stepped in it during a lack of concentration. Clean it off the best you can given your circumstances at the time, then when you return to the office, ensure that you clean it off sufficiently well so as not to affect others who may come into contact with it.

[Himaggen]

More full you if you are continually pulling it. The worse thing possible over the longer term.

It's in the Safe System Of Work and since failure to work to the SSOW is considered an act of misconduct you could be dismissed for that action alone.

Over the longer term, if I were to somehow become unfortunate enough to receive an injury I'd feel confident that by following a documented SSOW that I'd have a pretty good case for compensation for that injury. If you were to unfortunately injure yourself whilst not following the SSOW by pushing the trolley, (implied) you've got little chance of proper compensation.

…so more fool who?

[kjm]

Sorry, split with the above post.......some flippant answers here. This is about the health of postmen and women. Dog crap on wheels is an inevitable part of pulling or pushing a trolley....just ask anyone who has pushed a pram along our illustrious pavements! I just want to know what to do when the inevitable happens? Clean it off?.....sure, with what?....the sleeve off my fleece? This is a serious question.....if dog crap unwittingly contaminates mail or packets in the back of your van, and you then deliver said item to a customer.......and some one becomes ill, because of it.....then the business will find themselves chest deep in the aforementioned crap. I would not like to think that my grandkids rushed to the back of the door to pick up the mail, and could possibly be ingesting all the germs and crap associated with dog muck......no matter how small the trace. This could make people quite ill.......so i ask once more ,for an educated response please......what should i do if i get dog crap on my wheels?

[R@YAL F@IL]

Sorry, split with the above post.......some flippant answers here. This is about the health of postmen and women. Dog crap on wheels is an inevitable part of pulling or pushing a trolley....just ask anyone who has pushed a pram along our illustrious pavements! I just want to know what to do when the inevitable happens? Clean it off?.....sure, with what?....the sleeve off my fleece? This is a serious question.....if dog crap unwittingly contaminates mail or packets in the back of your van, and you then deliver said item to a customer.......and some one becomes ill, because of it.....then the business will find themselves chest deep in the aforementioned crap. I would not like to think that my grandkids rushed to the back of the door to pick up the mail, and could possibly be ingesting all the germs and crap associated with dog muck......no matter how small the trace. This could make people quite ill.......so i ask once more ,for an educated response please......what should i do if i get dog crap on my wheels?

Excellent point, not got an official answer to that but I would imagine we all need a cleansing kit of some sort, that's after we have been trained on the subject but given all the crap we have had to put up with it should take us no time to learn.

[kjm]

I think that cleaning trolley wheels, whilst out on delivery , is just not feasible......just too much paraphenalia to cart round...and still leaving people open to contracting some sort of illness. I suggest that trolleys are stored on the out side of the van, i.e. a roof rack. any contaminated trolleys will not come into contact with the van interior or its contents. If a trolley does pick up some dog crap, this can be jet-washed off back at the office. No-one has had to touch the stuff and we are not putting ours or the customers health at risk.
just a suggestion.

[Himaggen]

I've given you an answer as did clashcityrocker.

If you are careful you should not get dog crap on your wheels. If you are not careful then you'd deal with the problem in much the same way as if you were to carelessly get it on your shoe; Clean it off the best you can with what's available and clean it properly later. When only partly cleaned ensure that it makes as little contact with van and mail surfaces as possible.

Don't expect your Manager or another Colleague to clean it off for you or provide you with materials for cleaning something which is only a result of your lack of care!

[kjm]

How on earth is it a lack of care!!! Do you honestly think that i don't try to avoid dog crap!! Your statements are exactly the kind of response i'd expect from a manager who does not know the answer to a reasonable question. Luckily , a manager CAN wash his hands of the matter....because he is never more than ten paces from a fully functioning washroom!! Unfortunately, we are not. I DO NOT want anybody to clean up for me......i want this company to do what is right by its workforce. And that means not putting its employees in a position that can cause ill health.
Maybe you can come and steer the trolley for me eh!!.....obviously i'm some kind of muppet who can't be trusted to walk the streets!
And am pretty sure you DO NOT walk the streets, judging by your responses.
I asked for reasonable answers......not your managerial textbook crap..........