BANKING OF HOURS

[clashcityrocker]

fishtank is flexing compulsory?

Define "flexing" and while you are at it define "Fishtank".

[Stella102]

fishtank is flexing compulsory?

Define "flexing" and while you are at it define "Fishtank".

well on monday manager says go over by 30 mins is this compulsory if you just want to finish on time. Manager seems to think so, since everyone cuts off.

[fishtank]

fishtank is flexing compulsory?

Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change.

Employees are not required to work beyond their scheduled finish time if they do not wish to do so. However consideration should be given to the bullet point above where that situation arises.

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[eian687]

we all make ourselves available for our shifts, its not our fault if there is not enough work, or if there too much you have the option to cut off or do over time.

[Lincox]

Fish, I always find the quote 'Again individual circumstances will be taken into account' is the main problem regarding this agreement. The reason being is if we are being told by the Union it is entirely up to the individual whether they agree to work beyond their scheduled hours or not, why the hell should individual circumstances be taken into account, because it is totally irrelevant what your circumstances are if you take the Unions point of view.

[celerycelery]

Surely the worlds bestest planners have given you longs and shorts and filled your days up with work. Unless the planner has got it wrong then you shouldn't have much spare time to flex with anyway.

[UnhappyGremlin]

fishtank is flexing compulsory?

Variation of hours – Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change.

Employees are not required to work beyond their scheduled finish time if they do not wish to do so. However consideration should be given to the bullet point above where that situation arises.[/]

Don't you think that as Mondays are busy and always have been, then it shouldn't count as having 'unexpectedly high' mail volumes, as it is clearly not the case, and therefore flexing should not be being mentioned at all.

[fishtank]

Don't you think that as Mondays are busy and always have been, then it shouldn't count as having 'unexpectedly high' mail volumes, as it is clearly not the case, and therefore flexing should not be being mentioned at all.

Yes.
That's what the rep,the weekly resource meetings and the traffic forecasts are for.
If the forecast is around 100k and the actual is around 100k it isn't unexpected it's planned and the resource should already be planned to deal with it.
The only exception would be unusually high and unforeseen sick absence but again it should be well outside normal parameters before the flexibility clause kicks in.

Fish, I always find the quote 'Again individual circumstances will be taken into account' is the main problem regarding this agreement. The reason being is if we are being told by the Union it is entirely up to the individual whether they agree to work beyond their scheduled hours or not, why the hell should individual circumstances be taken into account, because it is totally irrelevant what your circumstances are if you take the Unions point of view.

I agree,
It's vague and weak and meaningless and stupid.
Why it's there other than to cause conflict at local level..is a mystery to me.

[meercat]

In our situation yesterday no mail got threw ,most of us had a box of mail so of course we would finish early most of the boys forfeited there overtime cause they didnt want to hang around office but in my opinion once you have done your overtime surely they cant take that back

No, RM didn't take their OT away they did that themselves by going home early voluntarily.

[WHITEANT]

In our situation yesterday no mail got threw ,most of us had a box of mail so of course we would finish early most of the boys forfeited there overtime cause they didnt want to hang around office but in my opinion once you have done your overtime surely they cant take that back

No, RM didn't take their OT away they did that themselves by going home early voluntarily.

What does forfeited mean !!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

In our situation yesterday no mail got threw ,most of us had a box of mail so of course we would finish early most of the boys forfeited there overtime cause they didnt want to hang around office but in my opinion once you have done your overtime surely they cant take that back

No, RM didn't take their OT away they did that themselves by going home early voluntarily.

What does forfeited mean !!!

surrendered, given up, lost etc.

In the Dictionary:

forfeited past participle, past tense of for·feit (Verb)
Verb

Lose or be deprived of (property or a right or privilege) as a penalty for wrongdoing.
Lose or give up (something) as a necessary consequence of something else.

[Lincox]

TB I think he already knows the meaning as he used the word in one of his entries on this thread. The guys who went home, did so because although they were told they would lose their overtime, they still wanted to finish early. The overtime should be paid if they fulfilled their contracted hours on the Saturday, even if it meant sitting around for several hours.

[WHITEANT]

Thank you Lincox

[woofwoof]

TB I think he already knows the meaning as he used the word in one of his entries on this thread. The guys who went home, did so because although they were told they would lose their overtime, they still wanted to finish early. The overtime should be paid if they fulfilled their contracted hours on the Saturday, even if it meant sitting around for several hours.

So next week when they make time on the Tuesday and Saturday they can expect to lose overtime to,as it was ok last week

[UnhappyGremlin]

Don't you think that as Mondays are busy and always have been, then it shouldn't count as having 'unexpectedly high' mail volumes, as it is clearly not the case, and therefore flexing should not be being mentioned at all.

Yes.
That's what the rep,the weekly resource meetings and the traffic forecasts are for.
If the forecast is around 100k and the actual is around 100k it isn't unexpected it's planned and the resource should already be planned to deal with it.
The only exception would be unusually high and unforeseen sick absence but again it should be well outside normal parameters before the flexibility clause kicks in.

There are no weekly resource meetings in my unit, so they can't plan to deal with anything. My boss just resorts to bullying and disciplinary threats. Which I'm sure is the case in many units up and down the country.