Royal Mail Gyms

[DB1100]

Nice, So all you people in the MC's who get the £20 for D2D you don't deliver, unlike us knackered frontline staff. Give it back too RM. For the joy of going too the RM funded Gym! So they can train you up, so you can take over us knackered posties!

MCs get their own Supplement and its £8 not £20

Still too much,just a bit less than a part timer who has to deliver to approx 800 addresses.

Only if your thinking that the delivery supplement is for delivering D2Ds only - and it isn't.

Do I agree with NOT being paid for D2Ds - No. Do I think that Delivery Supplement is completely fair - No I don't.

But if we are going to change it, then we have to base our arguments on facts and not supposition.

The FACTS are: We do not get paid anything for D2Ds - Delivery Supplement is paid for doing work in the Deliveries Sector of Royal Mail.

And our union allowed this,delivery really has got the sh-tty end of the stick.

Just remember that it was voted in and us on delivery outnumber those in the MC so really the fault lies with us.

I tend to follow Emma Goldmans view of voting on things like this.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Voting, she wrote, provided an illusion of participation while masking the true structures of decision-making. Instead, Goldman advocated targeted resistance in the form of strikes, protests, and "direct action against the invasive, meddlesome authority of our moral code". She maintained an anti-voting position even when many anarcho-syndicalists in 1930s Spain voted for the formation of a liberal republic. Goldman wrote that any power anarchists wielded as a voting bloc should instead be used to strike across the country. She disagreed with the movement for women's suffrage, which demanded the right of women to vote. In her essay "Woman Suffrage", she ridicules the idea that women's involvement would infuse the democratic state with a more just orientation: "As if women have not sold their votes, as if women politicians cannot be bought!" She agreed with the suffragists' assertion that women are equal to men, but disagreed that their participation alone would make the state more just. "To assume, therefore, that she would succeed in purifying something which is not susceptible of purification, is to credit her with supernatural powers."

[DB1100]

Voting, she wrote, provided an illusion of participation while masking the true structures of decision-making. Instead, Goldman advocated targeted resistance in the form of strikes, protests, and "direct action against the invasive, meddlesome authority of our moral code". She maintained an anti-voting position even when many anarcho-syndicalists in 1930s Spain voted for the formation of a liberal republic. Goldman wrote that any power anarchists wielded as a voting bloc should instead be used to strike across the country. She disagreed with the movement for women's suffrage, which demanded the right of women to vote. In her essay "Woman Suffrage", she ridicules the idea that women's involvement would infuse the democratic state with a more just orientation: "As if women have not sold their votes, as if women politicians cannot be bought!" She agreed with the suffragists' assertion that women are equal to men, but disagreed that their participation alone would make the state more just. "To assume, therefore, that she would succeed in purifying something which is not susceptible of purification, is to credit her with supernatural powers."

The first sentence sums it up as far as I am concerned,if as DGP stated that there are more in delivery than in mail centres it is beyond believe that postmen and women would vote in something that would result in a drop of wages of approx £20.00 a week and increase our workload substantially.Did anybody on this site vote for it?

[fishtank]

Did anybody on this site vote for it?

Without a doubt and more than you think.
Obviously no-one will admit that though.
The BT2010 agreement was sold as a package deal not as a single issue.
It was a very complex agreement that was not designed to be easily understood.
It contained cash incentives and the promise of a shorter working week.
It was sold under the premise that this was the best that could be achieved and there was no plan B.
The only real surprise was how many saw through the facade and and voted against it.

[RedBagMan]

How many Jims actually work for Royal Mail ?

... and what about Royal Mail Johns

[DB1100]

Did anybody on this site vote for it?

Without a doubt and more than you think.
Obviously no-one will admit that though.
The BT2010 agreement was sold as a package deal not as a single issue.
It was a very complex agreement that was not designed to be easily understood.
It contained cash incentives and the promise of a shorter working week.
It was sold under the premise that this was the best that could be achieved and there was no plan B.
The only real surprise was how many saw through the facade and and voted against it.

Thanks for clearing that up,short term gain,long term pain.Anyway I shall reflect on this whilst I am doing my 6 lots next week.

[DB1100]

How many Jims actually work for Royal Mail ?

... and what about Royal Mail Johns

You think like me.

[superteamu10]

To get back to the Gym subject, if you did actually want to go to the gym , but the nearest Royal Mail one was 40 odd miles away, why couldn't they subsidise us to use the local leisure centre for £10 month?

After all they like to pretend they care about us and they don't want us to become unhealthy or even worse - obese.

And before anyone says anything I am a walk postman and yes I am too knackered most days to entertain any healthy ideas, but I want to have the same options as other posties who have a gym near them and pay a reasonable £10 per month.

[JP1]

To get back to the Gym subject, if you did actually want to go to the gym , but the nearest Royal Mail one was 40 odd miles away, why couldn't they subsidise us to use the local leisure centre for £10 month?

After all they like to pretend they care about us and they don't want us to become unhealthy or even worse - obese.

And before anyone says anything I am a walk postman and yes I am too knackered most days to entertain any healthy ideas, but I want to have the same options as other posties who have a gym near them and pay a reasonable £10 per month.

probably because the £10 you spend on a local gym isn't going back into Royal Mail.