Delivery Supplement

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[Martin Walsh]

That is simply not true , when you do a geo route revison their is a bit of information called thr manhattan skyline which should show all walks the same at whatever span you have agreed. part timers and full timers should do exactly the same delivery span.

Under the roof , offices vary in terms of what part timers do compared to full timers.

Once this money was put into basic pay then it had to based on an hourly rate which was the same hourly rate for full and part time staff.

[fishtank]

their is a bit of information called the manhattan skyline.

We don't half set ourselves up for a piss take with the silly names.
I've seen the Manhattan Skyline.
It's very pretty at night.

[Martin Walsh]

This is true but I did not name it and it is part the geo route process ! Never thought anyone would take the piss on here !

[steve1873]

At the risk of going over old ground but for someone to be getting 45 pound in simply door to door money per week you would have had to be delivering 3 per week every week to over 900 delivery points unless.This was not the norm when this was being reviewed. remember back then you never got paid on your annual leave , sick leave or when they were withdrawn at christmas.

Since the delivery supplement came in , it has twice gone up in line with pay rises , door to door never went up once since 1994 when the agreement was introduced. it is paid 52 weeks per year when your off or no sick leave and even at christmas.

Door to Door has not grown at the rate they had hoped and average numbers of door to Door is still less than 3 nationally. There are hot spots in the South East , Thames Valley areas which regularly get 6 but the average will mean many other places are getting less than they were prior to 2010.

Now , the union took the postion that all delivery postmen should get thr payment whether they work in the reg cage or delivering firms. Remember no one who works outside of a delivery office recieves the suppllement. it is red herring that giving the delivery suppllement to those who work indoors in a delivery office somehow swing the vote. In any case why should a floater not get the suppllement or the reserve or the ex PHG ?

Now it is part of your basic pay the words in the BT Agreement states and I quote for delivery employees a £20.60 permanent supplement to basic pay pro rata for part time staff.

You see if you gave part timers a bigger lump of the pro rata than part time staff would be on a higher hourly rate than full timers, which would be unique and would be unacceptable to full timers.

where you have a good case and where the new job security agreement will help you is if you regularly do more hours against your own duty ie you example if you have a contract for 18 hours but you work 30 every week then you should over the next couple of months get an offer to go to 30 hours under this agreement and of course you will then reecieve an increase in the delivery suppllement.

So why not just add the supplement straight on to the hourly rate i.e. £20.60 divided by 40 = 0.52p

Which would mean that if a part timer on a 24 hour contract happened to work 40 hours 1 week, then they would have earned the same as their full-time colleagues. At present that part timer could work 40 hours, (39 if you have gone through revision) and still earn less than the colleague next to him, since they will receive their supplement pro rata as per their contracted hours. How is that fair?

[Martin Walsh]

This does happen now the only difference it is not shown at being paid the full supplement , however they get the equivalent in the hourly rate so they get the same as a full timer if they work either 39 hours or 40.

[steve1873]

This does happen now the only difference it is not shown at being paid the full supplement , however they get the equivalent in the hourly rate so they get the same as a full timer if they work either 39 hours or 40.

Fair enough, then this should be explained properly at a national level to all colleagues, as it fuels a resentment between full time and part time staff.

I have to ask though, why bother having a delivery supplement at all? Why not just add 53p on to everyone who works in a delivery offices hourly rate and be done with it?

It would do away with the pro-rata nonsense which paints the picture of part timers getting shafted - even if your information would suggest that not to be the case.

[dvbuk55]

This is true but I did not name it and it is part the geo route process ! Never thought anyone would take the piss on here !

Really? You obviously don't spend enough time with the poor relations.

[Martin Walsh]

This does happen now the only difference it is not shown at being paid the full supplement , however they get the equivalent in the hourly rate so they get the same as a full timer if they work either 39 hours or 40.

Fair enough, then this should be explained properly at a national level to all colleagues, as it fuels a resentment between full time and part time staff.

I have to ask though, why bother having a delivery supplement at all? Why not just add 53p on to everyone who works in a delivery offices hourly rate and be done with it?

It would do away with the pro-rata nonsense which paints the picture of part timers getting shafted - even if your information would suggest that not to be the case.

When the 2010 deal was done we had a pension crisis where the business did not want to make the supplement pensionable. Now this has changed I believe this is the ambition for the union.

[fishtank]

There are lots of valid reasons not to like supplements.

They are generally divisive...some functions/shifts/areas get more than others so they imbalance pay across a business.
They are generally non pensionable.
They generally stop at some point if you're off sick.
They are generally old money rehashed as new.
They keep basic hourly pay rates down as employers see them as an alternative to genuine pay rises.
All of these are genuine reasons not to like supplements but the part-time pro-rata issue isn't.
Part-timers are protected against less than favourable treatment where pay is concerned by the Part-time Workers (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2000...unless the Tories have scrapped it lately.

[steve1873]

This does happen now the only difference it is not shown at being paid the full supplement , however they get the equivalent in the hourly rate so they get the same as a full timer if they work either 39 hours or 40.

Fair enough, then this should be explained properly at a national level to all colleagues, as it fuels a resentment between full time and part time staff.

I have to ask though, why bother having a delivery supplement at all? Why not just add 53p on to everyone who works in a delivery offices hourly rate and be done with it?

It would do away with the pro-rata nonsense which paints the picture of part timers getting shafted - even if your information would suggest that not to be the case.

When the 2010 deal was done we had a pension crisis where the business did not want to make the supplement pensionable. Now this has changed I believe this is the ambition for the union.

Fair enough, I never considered the pensionable aspect of it.

[fishtank]

If you were making an argument that the removal of D2D payments had a disproportionate affect on part-timers i would certainly agree that losing around £20-£30 in D2D payments from a wage of around £180 obviously has a bigger impact than losing £20-£30 from a wage of £300.