HOW TO CANCEL CWU SUBSCRIPTION- £2 /WEEK WAGES DEDUCTION

[fishtank]

but the facts are if you belong to a union your terms and conditions will be better than those who go it alone.

You see this is not quite true.
It's not belonging to a union that improves your terms and conditions it's working for an employer that has a strong union presence.
As you point out yourself non-members benefit from the same terms and conditions that we do so....

In an office that has poor local representation what reason is there for a non-member with no political or ideological affiliation to the trade unions to become a member?
Or what is stopping a member from leaving?

This is the real danger to all of us,not us leaving but those who the union has failed to engage for years,those who the union have only ever seen in pound signs.
You can't blame them for being selfish and leaving because the union has promoted that selfishness.
They probably see HQ as being selfish.
They probably see their local rep as being selfish.
They see non-members getting exactly the same as they do but without the subs.
You can't lecture them about the long term consequences because they probably don't see a long term future for either themselves or the union in Royal Mail.

The only answer is a return to proper organisation,engagement and accountability but i'm not sure the present bunch are up to it suffolk.

[silly suffolk]

a sad inditement on human nature. going to to bed, depressed.

[daveyeff]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

[Cedar_Room]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

[dvbuk55]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

And you base your opinion on what exactly?

[fishtank]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

Of course people like that are selfish davey but in my experience the majority of non-members are not like that.
Every one of the non-members in my office have supported our industrial action and as for accepting the terms and conditions they do the same job as us so if you believe in equality they are entitled to the same benefits,don't forget they also have to accept the poor deals.
If members hate BT2010,it's safe to assume non-members do too.

Don't forget some members also offer nothing to the union beyond £3.33 a week,cut up the job,ignore the union's aims and are not adverse to crossing a picket line themselves.
To me these members are far worse than any non-member.

The real difference between members and non-members are...
a) A non-member does not contribute financially to the union.
b) A non-member has no say in the terms and conditions negotiated for them.
c) If a non-member finds themselves in trouble they had better know their way around the various procedures or they are screwed.

If you consider the financial mess the union finds itself in,the excesses and waste at HQ and throughout the Branch structure point A is pretty meaningless.

If you think about the lack of real membership engagement in the last two or three agreements and what counts as democracy in the union point B starts looking pretty weak.

Which only really leaves point C which is probably the most important until you consider the scenario of a piss poor local rep,looking after his mates or in the pocket of management.

Even though it looks like it,i'm not putting up a defense for being a non-member,i'm trying to understand why someone would choose to be a non-member because in my mind at least that is the key to recruitment.
It's far more complicated than selfishness.

[silly suffolk]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

my faith in humanity restored. going to bed. happy.

[fishtank]

And so while union density and membership numbers continue to decline we still cling to that 1970's dogma of us and them.
We call them names and act as if this is our special little club of decent people when actually all you have to do to prove you are a decent person is cough up £3.33 a week.
And we wonder why the trade union movement is in trouble....
If that's a measure of humanity it really is depressing....

[BernardBresslaw]

I bitch and moan about the union, and *at* my union rep, and always consider leaving, but with revised rounds being so big, and the pressure being on to work faster, those of us who just want to work our time and go home, are likely to be needing all the help we can get.

My rep has had my back all over the Xmas pressure, which wouldn't happen if I decided to go it alone.

[daveyeff]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

And you base your opinion on what exactly?

people who blatantly cross lines from other offices because they are not known at other offices, so they can continue con their colleagues when back at their home office into believing they supported the strike. others who simply say,,''this union is fekkn shyte, done nowt for me''??? others, specifically non members who have joined the union when they find themselves facing conduct/dismissal charges, to get union protection,,,, the drop out again when they,ve won or gained an acceptable outcome to their case. they make me sick. i have no objection to people who simple do not wish to be in it. but they should appreciate that if it wasnt for the cwu, then most of us wouldnt be working there because we wouldnt work for 6 quid odd an hour.

[silly suffolk]

And so while union density and membership numbers continue to decline we still cling to that 1970's dogma of us and them.
We call them names and act as if this is our special little club of decent people when actually all you have to do to prove you are a decent person is cough up £3.33 a week.
And we wonder why the trade union movement is in trouble....
If that's a measure of humanity it really is depressing....

humans are tribal fish. its in our dna. anyway im glad your in the same club as me. get on balder success 3.10 e/w. it will pay for your christmas beer.

[dvbuk55]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

And you base your opinion on what exactly?

people who blatantly cross lines from other offices because they are not known at other offices, so they can continue con their colleagues when back at their home office into believing they supported the strike. others who simply say,,''this union is fekkn shyte, done nowt for me''??? others, specifically non members who have joined the union when they find themselves facing conduct/dismissal charges, to get union protection,,,, the drop out again when they,ve won or gained an acceptable outcome to their case. they make me sick. i have no objection to people who simple do not wish to be in it. but they should appreciate that if it wasnt for the cwu, then most of us wouldnt be working there because we wouldnt work for 6 quid odd an hour.

Then if that is prevalent in the office you work in perhaps the union needs to be more pro active in educating/recruiting bad union members and potential union members don't you think?

[whisperstar24]

i have got 2 people on my shift in the mail centre joining the union for the first time.I know it depends on how good or strong your local rep is but its still better to be in the union when you need them. So many managers in our place issue stage warnings to people not in the union. So many managers do not do things correctly and to procedure and it is only down to a little bit of knowledge that can stop someone from being unfairly treated. i still believe that if you stick together in this current working environment you are better off

[daveyeff]

how annoying it is though to have these people who criticise the union, call them worse than shyte, say how poor and useless they are, yet have no quarms whatsoever in accepting hard fought for terms and conditions, while they have blacklegged and scabbed and gone into work while colleagues have done without to get these terms and conditions. how selfish are they themselves. vicious circle.

And you base your opinion on what exactly?

people who blatantly cross lines from other offices because they are not known at other offices, so they can continue con their colleagues when back at their home office into believing they supported the strike. others who simply say,,''this union is fekkn shyte, done nowt for me''??? others, specifically non members who have joined the union when they find themselves facing conduct/dismissal charges, to get union protection,,,, the drop out again when they,ve won or gained an acceptable outcome to their case. they make me sick. i have no objection to people who simple do not wish to be in it. but they should appreciate that if it wasnt for the cwu, then most of us wouldnt be working there because we wouldnt work for 6 quid odd an hour.

Then if that is prevalent in the office you work in perhaps the union needs to be more pro active in educating/recruiting bad union members and potential union members don't you think?

its not just my office this has happened in. and i would consider it to be a nationwide problem. as for the union being pro active in membership recruitment towards educating bad members. how would they know they are going to turn into a bad member?? there is no protocol to educate members. this only happens when we have a member who wants to advance his union position.

[hantsman]

Legal representation? Half the reps haven't got a clue about legalities. As for the CWU they'll represent you at a tribunal IF there's a better than 50% chance they'll win. That's awful nice of them.

Your slowly learning then?