OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

[fishtank]

In 2009 London said if any of our offices were attacked we would all ballot and we did and took 20 days of action it's called a union for a reason

By our offices i take it you mean London offices and as far as i'm aware London is not called a union.
This isn't a London thing it's a fragmentation of the union thing and the ridiculous idea that we can defend,protect or build a union on the basis of having strong and weak areas.

Do you honestly believe that members should just accept the fact that they were unlucky enough to be born into a weak area and accept poorer terms and conditions but still stump up the same subs or even continue to be part of an increasingly two tier union.

Do you honestly believe that weak areas will somehow get stronger by looking over the fence at stronger areas,that's the most ludicrous suggestion because all experience points to the exact opposite.

Most importantly do you honestly believe that when the need arrives to come together as one united force that members will want to fight for better terms and conditions they may never see because they come from weak areas.

Exactly the same thing exists up here where the East Coast believes it's stronger than the West Coast.
The truth is both areas are getting weaker because no-one can see the big picture mainly because they are too busy looking after number one.

[dvbuk55]

Yes dingo you never seem to weary of mentioning the 20 days action you took, failing to mention that it produced no results until the NATIONAL union joined the fray..........what was a NATIONAL initiative, suddenly became a London Division CWU Agreement initiative and those from Lunnun took an active part in making sure that the agreement went through...............then waited almost three years to start implementing it.

[whatamess!!]

Dingo

Could I ask you a question?

Of the 50% of offices which revisions have come in so far, are the members using trolleys? Having breaks? coming in at their scheduled start time? Have cars been stopped being used?

If the the answer is yes, I would ask how you have got members to change their ways of working, as the rest of the country seems to be having major problems with this.

If the answers are no, then I would say that these are failed revisions.

Many thanks

Keep up the good work.

[newtimes]

Dingo, our rep comes in early and doesn't have a break. About as much good as a chocolate teapot.

Our rep comes in early and has many breaks and always finishes on time all year round. About as much good as a chocolate teapot.

[Martin Walsh]

There are well over a thousand delivery reps who have a very hard job and lots have little support from members , Branch's , CWU HQs and have a hard time with managers.

Sure out of that 1000 there are good and bad and I agree they should try and set the example. However ii is voluntary job and you can decide to stand against them and set the example. The problem is too many are happy to moan and post stuff about their rep but are not willing to do th job. That is the way a lot of us got into a reps postion we though we could do better and the members deserved better.

So come on instead of talking about tea Pots make a difference. let's see if you can do better.

[newtimes]

There are well over a thousand delivery reps who have a very hard job and lots have little support from members , Branch's , CWU HQs and have a hard time with managers.

Sure out of that 1000 there are good and bad and I agree they should try and set the example. However ii is voluntary job and you can decide to stand against them and set the example. The problem is too many are happy to moan and post stuff about their rep but are not willing to do th job. That is the way a lot of us got into a reps postion we though we could do better and the members deserved better.

So come on instead of talking about tea Pots make a difference. let's see if you can do better.

How do you stand against them, where I work, theres a % who will not join the union, % who have left the union, % who avoid any conflict, % who are in the reps tribe and finaly the remaining % who are in the minority. Sure there are many many great reps but not where I work. This is my fault for not finding out, so I will ask now, can I attend branch meetings, and what meetings can I attend and where can I find out about whats happening without going through my rep. How can you become active within the CWU.

[Danelectro]

Sure out of that 1000 there are good and bad and I agree they should try and set the example. However ii is voluntary job and you can decide to stand against them and set the example.

I take his point if its the unit rep whose letting the side down and not setting a good example, then true stand against them, get elected and its sorted but if its an area rep or branch not functioning then trying to get them to buck up is a totally different ball game.

Yeah the Reps at all levels are voluntary but as pointed out branches spend a fortune shuttling area reps(with generous expenses) up and down the country so there needs to be accountability or at least feedback from the meetings they attend,which is not happening .I dont think these people are all bad,think many have lost their way and since the last agreement they seem to be bluffing their way through some shady negotiating either with or without HQs knowledge.

I also dont buy the shuffling of feet theory after 2 days of national action,never got that impression on the picket line.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So come on instead of talking about tea Pots make a difference. let's see if you can do better.

[Martin Walsh]

dan after the first strike there was a briefing and a conference call of all Branch`s. We also had the percetages of people who went into work in areas.

Believe me there was some areas in trouble. However there were strong areas as well. Dont be surprised it happens in most disputes. I remember in 1996 employee agenda dispute a certain mayor in york who was also a cwu rep calling for a reballot after the second day of action. Evenutally we had to reballot due to a balls up and got a second yes vote.

[scooby]

been in over a year now planners never came back to sort the shite out only way it works is not using the trolleys and no brakes and still get it in the neck from managers when we can not get round and leave bags or packets.

mind you the best bit is some get back about 11.30 then take the bags out on overtime and still get home before me

[newtimes]

been in over a year now planners never came back to sort the shite out only way it works is not using the trolleys and no brakes and still get it in the neck from managers when we can not get round and leave bags or packets.

mind you the best bit is some get back about 11.30 then take the bags out on overtime and still get home before me

are they going out early

[scooby]

some times they sneak out but not all the time the walks are just not even was ment to be a 6 week trial then planers re do the walks but they just left and never came back

[DGP1]

some times they sneak out but not all the time the walks are just not even was ment to be a 6 week trial then planers re do the walks but they just left and never came back

Which is why we wont agree to the proposed revisions, they wont work and they wont come back to fix them............get them right the first time and there wont be any problems.

[POSTMAN]

Been here before said it before,Sid or Sarah may know every agreement in the book,every I dotted and every T crossed,but is not up to public speaking or confrontation.
I'm sure many want to help or go for it but are unable due to their make up.

[fishtank]

Been here before said it before,Sid or Sarah may know every agreement in the book,every I dotted and every T crossed,but is not up to public speaking or confrontation.
I'm sure many want to help or go for it but are unable due to their make up.

If you do it right it eats into your free time and family life as well,if you have young kids it will probably get mentioned in the divorce papers.
My wife's a saint...or she doesn't give a toss...either/or delete as applicable.