CWU Unilateral Stage 2 Disagreement KA/DG:Update

[woofwoof]

For some of us BT2010 was never about the money. The strike in 2009 was about.........a job you can do at 65 without being bullied. More secure full time jobs and an end to casualisation. More time away from work. Weight off the shoulder. An end to staff subsidising the Company through private car use. No unagreed work rates. And in my neck of the woods a regional management team that paid little if any regard to the CWU.........unless forced to listen through the IR Framework. That's how an effective Union works. Collectively.

BT2010 has delivered none of the above. It expires in March 2013. What then?

status quo enters the building

[fishtank]

For some of us BT2010 was never about the money. The strike in 2009 was about.........a job you can do at 65 without being bullied. More secure full time jobs and an end to casualisation. More time away from work. Weight off the shoulder. An end to staff subsidising the Company through private car use. No unagreed work rates. And in my neck of the woods a regional management team that paid little if any regard to the CWU.........unless forced to listen through the IR Framework. That's how an effective Union works. Collectively.

BT2010 has delivered none of the above. It expires in March 2013. What then?

status quo enters the building

I was never a big fan of status quo woof..too much hair and denim...and well said Tamsky.

[clashcityrocker]

And the Divisional Reps say.......?

[Body Beyond Repair]

Know he's been copied into e-mails but as yet no response......as usual!!!

[Tamsky]

Real question is what do the members say..........we should find out. I know what they are telling me and some of it is not polite.

[hans solo]

privatisation methinks along with the new colleague share proposal to blackmail staff
tamsky ka due to blow many roads not finishing till well after 3,30 troops no happy
mgmnt dont care
trolly deliv being ignored mgmt letting deliv go with weight ON shoulder over 4.5 hrs and 5 hrs
cover on day off using bags trollies ignored
meal breaks being sacrifised when busy usual sh** favs allowed to leave office others made to take breaks
ot going through roof
pt in early to prep ft walks before ft start time
not enough indoor time and outdoor becoming massive due to pkts p739s returns etc
prep being tested daily under 100 bsi have quizzed mgmt havn,t clue
ka could be doing with office meetings during work time

[clashcityrocker]

Real question is what do the members say..........we should find out. I know what they are telling me and some of it is not polite.

It would appear pointless for one or two "strong" offices to stick their heads above the parapet if there is no support.
Are the CWU prepared to back up any office that needs it?
The West Coast of Scotland, if not the whole of the Northern region, should be balloted for IA.

[Tamsky]

Update...............Meeting held today.

CWU position : RM applied a universal rate of 100bsi in setting the IWT. This has impacted on unit ability to achieve one in four Saturday's off while maintaining full time jobs. Most units fall under the national 75%/25% split. The use of 100bsi has impacted on early start times.

RM position : RM believe that in terms of national agreements and in setting EP's they are following the agreed steer, which includes using the most recent 12 weeks performance, excluding exceptional weeks e.g.Bank holidays and validated as per Phase 4 of the revision planning process. This is in line with BT2010 agreement, the joint statement of June 2012 and the nationally agreed 6 phase process for revision planning.
RM believe they are fully consulting staff in revision planning and have their agreement for recent revisions, as per the phase 4 sign offs. RM's position is that staff have had the option of agreeing their Saturday attendance patterns. RM position is also that unit start times are dictated by the MPU workplans.

General discussion : Both parties could not reach agreement on this issue and therefore have no option but to escalate to stage 3 of the IR framework.
RM DSM KA
RM DSM DG
Area CWU KA/DG


Second part
CWU position : (1) CWU submitted a stage 2 disagreement on 11th September, stating that CWU belive that RM are failing to apply the BT2010 agreement in that they are not facilitating weekly resource meetings to discuss indoor pwrformance in the KA and DG sectors.

(2) CWU believe that the Area Rep release is insufficient to enable him to provide CWU support for resourcing meetings for units that have no local rep, this equates to 7 units within KA/DG

RM position : (1) RM accept that these meetings are not taking place as robustly as they should in some units. RM agrees that the mandatory meetings should take place, where there is a rep in the unit, and furthermore agree to remind managers to ensure the meeting takes place and constructive dialogue includes the weekly traffic and hours forecast.
(2) RM's position in respect of Area rep release is that the release level is set in the IR framework and it is therefore not within their discretion to amend, outwith occasional ad-hoc release situations.

General discussion : Both parties agreed a way forward in respect of the first issue but unfortunately could not reach agreement on the second issue relating to Area Rep release and therefore have no option but to escalate this point to stage 3 of the IR framework.
RM DSM KA
RM DSM DG
Area CWU KA/DG

[clashcityrocker]

While I am sure your members are grateful for your continued "battering your head against a brick wall", one can't help but wonder what support you are getting from your Branch or the other Area Reps that fall under it.

[Tamsky]

Stage 3 date set. Requests for members meetings coming in.

[bandit650]

The whole of ME/CT done this over a year ago, even to stage 3, we even had an embargo on ALL revision activity on the grounds of 100bsi & welfare breaks, then National took over

Glenno
are you suggesting that KA/DG are f****d?

No Clash, maybe we were the fodder for the fire, who know's only time will tell, but we held firm till National took over and it has turned and bit our arses

We are there now at disagreement Glenno, don't feel like budging much in the office this time again.

[Glenno]

bandit650 you are a card YES we are there again, but this time the whole Region(new terminoligy) is singing from the same hymn sheet, don't think much would pass you anyway bandit, lol, be strong , stick together lets see where this is going
New Regional Mngt my friggin arse

[bandit650]

Tell you where it ain't going their way They don't like me this new management team and i have no intention of changing my ways gonna stick like glue as normal.