'CUTTING OFF'

dididw · Post by **dididw** » 23 Sep 2007, 19:46

I e-mailed big Al about this problem, my question to him was. ' Is pressure overtime compulsory or voluntary ?'
his answer was its definetly voluntary......so there you go from the horse is mouth !!!

jackdaw · Post by **jackdaw** » 24 Sep 2007, 09:05

Any overtime is voluntary and any pressure being put on you to work over your hours should be treated as harassment. I have seen it in my office, how many times do you have to say NO? It's time for us to stand by our rights and stand together again, it's been too long since we truly stood together.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 24 Sep 2007, 14:29

jackdaw wrote:Any overtime is voluntary and any pressure being put on you to work over your hours should be treated as harassment. I have seen it in my office, how many times do you have to say NO? It's time for us to stand by our rights and stand together again, it's been too long since we truly stood together.

At the last HYS we had the results for in February, quite a few staff said they were harrassed into doing OT. It's seven months on, and it still goes on. So much for HYS.

smarterdarter · Post by **smarterdarter** » 24 Sep 2007, 14:57

montana banana wrote:not being funny m8, but if you cant do your delivery in 6 hours your

problems are a bit bigger than you think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I think he was saying he started his delivery at 8.00am on saturday, with saturday being a shorter working day finishing at 12.15pm (as it is in our office)
So with a 30 min meal relief his finishing time is 11.45am
now let me do the sums errrr 3hours 45 mins.
Anything over that is overtime i dont know where you get 6 hours from

scooby · Post by **scooby** » 24 Sep 2007, 19:34

yep thats right i have no clue may be 6 hours if u dont have to sort ets
still use cars to where i am so still a long time if no hanging about for bags

montana banana · Post by **montana banana** » 24 Sep 2007, 19:49

well excuse me for getting it wrong , i was going off of my 6-2 where sat is the same finish as the rest of the week

scooby · Post by **scooby** » 24 Sep 2007, 21:25

u on the new hours there or some think then 6 to 2 ?

smarterdarter · Post by **smarterdarter** » 24 Sep 2007, 21:28

You are excused

montana banana

we're only human after all (some of us any way)

jack · Post by **jack** » 26 Sep 2007, 16:06

Today i informed the DOM i would be cutting off, his reply was "overtime is written in your contract" ........ is this true?

I cannot possibly see how these people can make you work over 8hrs

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 26 Sep 2007, 16:10

jack wrote:Today i informed the DOM i would be cutting off, his reply was "overtime is written in your contract" ........ is this true?

I cannot possibly see how these people can make you work over 8hrs

Check this post on the first page of this thread

POSTMAN wrote:

You can not be forced to do overtime.
You can not be forced to finish your round if it takes you over your finishing time.
You do not have to 'finish the round and i'll pay you docket for it' if you don't want to.
If you want to claim the overtime for working over,see your Line manager or DOM before you go out.

Getting to your walk:

Depending on what's in your 318's depends on how you get out.
Most would have a van to take you out and bring you back.
Some offices i know have to get on a bus.
Some of you have to walk there.
Have a look at your 318's and enquire in this thread if needed.
PS:If there aint a van available,then just wait.
Unless your Manager has Business insurance on his car (Get proof) then he can't take you out in his car.

Unable to complete your round:

You are within your rights to stop delivering if you don't want to go over your finishing time.
Inform your line Manager or DOM before you tie up that you feel you will 'not be able to complete your round'.
You are not 'CUTTING OFF' 'you are unable to complete your round'.
Await instructions.
If you are told that 'in his/her opinion' that you can finish the round,then ask him/her what time should you ring in to inform them that you can't complete it,as you feel that could be the case.

Pouching off:
Give yourself time to pouch off.If you take your work to a pouch box or a Post Office,give yourself enough time to do that so that when you've finished,it is then your finishing time.
If you have to come back to your DO then obviously give yourself enough travelling time to get back and do your bits.
Again get instructions from your DOM or line Manager.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=1685

postie28 · Post by **postie28** » 26 Sep 2007, 16:13

isn't there something in contracts about being expected to work reasonable amount of o/t ? bloody vague really. after all . what is a reasonable amount ? 1hr a day or 1hr a year ?

fatherchristmas · Post by **fatherchristmas** » 26 Sep 2007, 16:21

No overtime is compulsory unless you have contracted S/A. even then if you had a valid excuse you dont have to do it.

jimmy p · Post by **jimmy p** » 28 Sep 2007, 19:30

In our contracts there is a line that states that in cases of extreme workloads then Overtime is expected to ensure USO compliance. I have never seen this used but the business can expect people to complete deliveries if it is extreme cases.

jackdaw · Post by **jackdaw** » 29 Sep 2007, 09:31

I shall have to have a good look at my contract then but I have always been told it is illegal to try and make someone do overtime, it's probably part of the newer human rights laws Tony Blair signed us up to......so there is some good in them somewhere.

peedofpostie · Post by **peedofpostie** » 29 Sep 2007, 18:38

the delivery spans are not based on going to every door every day i think they are based on the average days because as soon as we are busy our walks end up about 4hr 15 mins or you stream or cut