Delivering to a neighbor (officially)

[eastie]

... and when your neighbours walk past your house and see a sticker which basically says "I don't trust you lot" ... suppose it does wonders for on-street harmony ...

I doubt it.
Half of them in my street cant even speak English anyway

[Listonosz]

We discussed this at WTL today and the manager stated what has already been said, the trials indicated that there was no extra time spent out on delivery. The paper we was handed contained an interesting sentence (I wish I'd fetched it home with me now) it said that it would be at the postmans/womans discretion as to which neighbour we leave packet with. Most of us have to return to office so as for me I won't be leaving any with neighbours. Can you imagine the scenario, you have a packet for no.6, no-one home, you go to no.4, again no answer so you try no.8, they're out also so now you're back to no.6 filling in 739 and 10 minutes later you're still stuck with the packet

[eastie]

But what is a "designated neighbour" that the new 739's have a box for now ?
and how does the postman delivering the parcels on that day know who this designated person is , if he has never done the round before ?
Is a designated neighbour the ' DELIVER TO NO 26 UP THE ROAD' scrawled on a ripped up fag packet and stuck to the front door.
Or if the regulator passes this delivering to neighbours, there must be a better system than that.
Since we jumped the gun and sent D2D's out about delivering to neighbours there has been an increase of notes stuck on doors with all kinds of requests where to put or take or hide their parcels.
Can only see it ending in tears.
Me personally, I deliver to the address thats on the item, if not in I docket it .
We aren't couriors who have to get rid of packets

[Himaggen]

Whilst you may think you're doing yourself a favour by making the decision not to attempt a delivery to neighbour, you're probably not.

The agreement states that additional excess due to this implementation will be monitored. If and you don't implement it then it follows that additional excess will not exist and you'll have proved it correct that the scheme is absorbed into current delivery spans!

[fishtank]

The agreement states that additional excess due to this implementation will be monitored.

No it doesn't it just says "Information" will be gathered to enable an assessment of the operational impact the new service has had on delivery times and A joint review of the time necessary to carry out this service will be conducted at national level and the outcome and any consequential impact communicated and deployed in due course

Any ideas how this "information" could/will be gathered?
f****d if i know...there isn't a "delivery to neighbour" section on the docket and how could you separate time involved in delivery to neighbour without taking a stop watch with you and if you're cutting off how will you know what's what?
In 6 months or so there will be a meaningless completely unscientific tweak to the attendance call rate as a sop to the union....if we're lucky.
The time to argue for extra time was before the whole thing kicked off.
That ship has sailed.

[POSTMAN]

Today (12th) is the last day of Ofcom’s consultation on our plans to deliver to neighbours when someone is out, across the UK....

https://www.myroyalmail.com/news/nation ... neighbours" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Curious,if the consultation is still going on,why are non trial offices talking about it? WTLL ect.

[not me]

Today (12th) is the last day of Ofcom’s consultation on our plans to deliver to neighbours when someone is out, across the UK....

https://www.myroyalmail.com/news/nation ... neighbours" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Curious,if the consultation is still going on,why are non trial offices talking about it? WTLL ect.

Becase RM know the UK public are more likely to mump and whine than place an official objection with Ofcom
So its a foregone conclusion

[taurus88]

It's all bollocks. I'm not leaving with a neighbour if I'm accountable for everything that happens thereafter.

[eastie]

The agreement states that additional excess due to this implementation will be monitored.

Any ideas how this "information" could/will be gathered?
f****d if i know...there isn't a "delivery to neighbour" section on the docket and how could you separate time involved in delivery to neighbour without taking a stop watch with you and if you're cutting off how will you know what's what?
In 6 months or so there will be a meaningless completely unscientific tweak to the attendance call rate as a sop to the union....if we're lucky.
The time to argue for extra time was before the whole thing kicked off.
That ship has sailed.

There is a " delivery to designated neighbour" section on the 739

[Himaggen]

The agreement states that additional excess due to this implementation will be monitored.

No it doesn't it just says "Information" will be gathered to enable an assessment of the operational impact the new service has had on delivery times and A joint review of the time necessary to carry out this service will be conducted at national level and the outcome and any consequential impact communicated and deployed in due course

Are you saying that gathering information, assessing, reviewing and communicating impact does not mean monitoring? or was "No it doesn't" added for another reason?

The agreement states:

Any extended delivery as a consequence of this new service will be dealt with using normal local procedures. A joint review of the time necessary to carry out this service will be conducted at national level and the outcome and any consequential impact communicated and deployed in due course.

Service Review

Information will be gathered to enable an assessment of the operational impact the new service has had on delivery times

And the CWU LTB document states:

It is recognised that this new service may involve some extended delivery as a consequence of delivering to alternative addresses and this should be dealt with using normal local procedures, extended delivery time resulting from delivering to a neighbour should be recorded as such

The new service will also be subject to a quarterly review where we will be able to assess the operational impact the new service has had on delivery times

Now it doesn't matter to me which document you read, both tell you the same thing. If you fail to deliver to neighbour you cannot log the time taken to do so and the result will be no change to deliveries or spans. So the 'only' hope for an impact review in your favour is to perform the tasks necessary for that review.

If you don't play the game you have no chance, if you do there's at least a slender one.

[NewPostieUK]

I noticed a few stickers on letterboxes today, and realised that we are doing this trial. Nobody told me!

Is it both neighbours we are meant to try? What defines a neighbour? Am I meant to be walking 50 yards back down the drive, 50 yards up to one neighbours door, 50 yards down, back round to the other neighbour, 50 yards up their drive, 50 yards back, 50 yards back to the original house to put a card in telling them which neighbour has the packet?

[Himaggen]

I noticed a few stickers on letterboxes today, and realised that we are doing this trial. Nobody told me!

It hasn't been implemented nationally yet, everything is just being put into place for when it is.

Is it both neighbours we are meant to try? What defines a neighbour? Am I meant to be walking 50 yards back down the drive, 50 yards up to one neighbours door, 50 yards down, back round to the other neighbour, 50 yards up their drive, 50 yards back, 50 yards back to the original house to put a card in telling them which neighbour has the packet?

Yes but it doesn't necessarily mean next door neighbours only, any which are within a reasonable distance using your allocated delivery method!

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What actually surprises me is that so many stickers have already been seen considering the low proportion of recipients Royal Mail thought weren't happy with the idea during their trials!

[not me]

I noticed a few stickers on letterboxes today, and realised that we are doing this trial. Nobody told me!

Is it both neighbours we are meant to try? What defines a neighbour? Am I meant to be walking 50 yards back down the drive, 50 yards up to one neighbours door, 50 yards down, back round to the other neighbour, 50 yards up their drive, 50 yards back, 50 yards back to the original house to put a card in telling them which neighbour has the packet?

Are you assuming you are part of the trial because of the stickers?
People all over the UK can get the stickers

[NewPostieUK]

Two or three feet is a reasonable distance. The big house owners will just have to collect their stuff from the office.

[fishtank]

Are you saying that gathering information, assessing, reviewing and communicating impact does not mean monitoring? or was "No it doesn't" added for another reason?

I added No it doesn't because you stated that The agreement states that additional excess due to this implementation will be monitored....and no it doesn't.

Why?..because there is no way to measure additional excess due to this implementation.
Unless you have any ideas?

So that leaves us with what "information" will be gathered?
It could be anything from membership surveys to asking management but i doubt it really matters.