Ill health retirement what will be the offer ?

[fishtank]

thankyou for that. do you know if previous service is also included when calculating pilon

It can't be.
PILON is worked out on normal contractual notice of termination of employment rules.
Any previous service will have ended with it's own notice period.

[markis]

What happens now ?, I've agreed for IHR with my DOM, but ATOS have told me over the phone IHR is not relevant at the moment, it's too early and they want to see how things settle over the next few weeks. Yet I was told by my DOM it could take only 2 weeks for a offer to be made. Also do I need to personally have a appointment with a RM doctor who makes the decision .

[fishtank]

Following the receipt of the OHS advice, the line manager will consider what action to take, in line with the professional advice. He/she will discuss with the employee the advice received and give the employee the opportunity to respond. The outcome of this review will be either:

a) an agreed date for a return to work, with a temporary or permanent adjustment to duties if appropriate

b) a decision to seek alternative work elsewhere in Royal Mail Group and the actions proposed to address this

c) a decision to progress ‘Retirement on ill health grounds with lump sum payment’.

d) a decision to progress ‘Retirement on ill health grounds with immediate pension’.

The responsibility for making the decision based on the advice/recommendation from the OHS rests with Line Management. The Authority Levels contained in the appropriate Conduct Code for dismissal apply.

[markis]

I think legally that, a) would be the first option in your list, then if that wasn't suitable C), would be the next option. But as I stated ATOS have said IHR is not a option at the moment, even when the question was put to me I agreed to it, but ATOS nurse says it's not relevant at the moment. So I can say that I no longer feel I can do the job because of a health condition and agree to take IHR , and ATOS are saying no !!

[mazza111]

Keep handing your sick notes in, they will soon change their mind :)

[eleanorw1957]

Hi Folks.Not sure if I'm posting this in the right section, but I would appreciate some advice. My husband has been with Royal Mail for close on 34 years.He has had hip replacement surgery on both hips, one in December 2010 and one in February 2012.He is currently on a phased return to work program.I believe he is covered under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 as he has osteoarthritis, and Atos have inferred this point. However, on his return to work his attendance record has been recorded as not up to standard and he has been placed on a Stage 2 Formal Warning.Surely this is unacceptable behavior by Royal Mail and a certain amount of leeway should be allowed in cases like this.I would have thought if someone is covered by the DDA 1995 then this type of harassment is out of order.
Thanks,
Eleanor.

[POSTMAN]

Hi Folks.Not sure if I'm posting this in the right section, but I would appreciate some advice. My husband has been with Royal Mail for close on 34 years.He has had hip replacement surgery on both hips, one in December 2010 and one in February 2012.He is currently on a phased return to work program.I believe he is covered under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 as he has osteoarthritis, and Atos have inferred this point. However, on his return to work his attendance record has been recorded as not up to standard and he has been placed on a Stage 2 Formal Warning.Surely this is unacceptable behavior by Royal Mail and a certain amount of leeway should be allowed in cases like this.I would have thought if someone is covered by the DDA 1995 then this type of harassment is out of order.
Thanks,
Eleanor.

Yes it's unacceptable but it's the norm,he should put a grievance in,he needs to see his rep and possibly area rep.

[mogsyboy]

Yes that is the max you can get. I have just been ill health retired/dismissed as that is the word they use now. After 45 years of working for Royal Mail I received a drink off the manager and a collection from the lads and lassies I worked with. Not even a letter of thanks from Royal Mail for all the years I did work.
Simply couldn't do the job anymore at 62 and I believe it is becoming a young man's job now. Good luck on your retirement. Forgot to add I never actually saw an ATOS doctor, all consultations were on the phone.

[woofwoof]

is it taxable

[fishtank]

is it taxable

The 34 week lump sum...no.
The PILON and any outstanding holiday pay...yes.

[woofwoof]

is it taxable

The 34 week lump sum...no.
The PILON and any outstanding holiday pay...yes.

fish

[Patti-Ann]

I job share with another lady. I am coming up to 58 and the lady I share with is 60. We both feel the job is physically too much for us, so asked to be transferred to the nearest mail centre, feeling that working indoors would be much better. We started just over a week ago.

On getting there we were put on DSA, which includes lifting bags and tipping mail out. We were both struggling with this, so asked the manager if we could be put onto sorting (you presume if you are having a problem with one job, they would find something more suitable). All she said is that there are no vacancies on sorting and all she can offer is DSA. She signed us off and sent us home. We are now back at the delivery office. There are no indoor duties so we are going back onto delivering. We have been told ATOS will be phoning us, but what are the chances of getting medical retirement?

[Glenno]

ok so this is how it goes, you have put yorselves in a position where there is POSSIBLY no job left for you to do, deliveries is too much to continue with,MC work is not suitable, so whats to do?
In my opinion lets sit tight and see what ATOS has to offer?
Do you both want IHR?
Have you had time off sick recently due to being on deliveries, and if so what stage on the Attendance procedure are you on?
This is all relevant

[aiden01]

I job share with another lady. I am coming up to 58 and the lady I share with is 60. We both feel the job is physically too much for us, so asked to be transferred to the nearest mail centre, feeling that working indoors would be much better. We started just over a week ago.

On getting there we were put on DSA, which includes lifting bags and tipping mail out. We were both struggling with this, so asked the manager if we could be put onto sorting (you presume if you are having a problem with one job, they would find something more suitable). All she said is that there are no vacancies on sorting and all she can offer is DSA. She signed us off and sent us home. We are now back at the delivery office. There are no indoor duties so we are going back onto delivering. We have been told ATOS will be phoning us, but what are the chances of getting medical retirement?

thought all mc duties were easy with plenty of breaks

[Patti-Ann]

ok so this is how it goes, you have put yorselves in a position where there is POSSIBLY no job left for you to do, deliveries is too much to continue with,MC work is not suitable, so whats to do?
In my opinion lets sit tight and see what ATOS has to offer?
Do you both want IHR?
Have you had time off sick recently due to being on deliveries, and if so what stage on the Attendance procedure are you on?
This is all relevant

No we haven't been off sick yet, though we do feel stressed about everything. With moving from a physical job like delivering we assumed a suitable job for us would be put in place at the mail centre - we expected to be on letter sorting or packets. We'd never heard of DSA till we got there. The job we were given is a man's job, not two women of our age

It didn't help matters when we heard some of the RM staff had complained to the manager about us. They wanted the 6.00 till 14.00 shift, but couldn't have it, yet that's the shift we'd been given. So we hardly felt welcome

We are both anxious about the ATOS assessment as we don't know what kind of questions will be given. I've looked up about it and apparently they try to trip you up.

We started back at our delivery office, my friend doing Thursday and Friday, me doing Friday and Saturday. With us job sharing the same delivery, on the Friday she did ours and I was put onto another one. The one they put me on I'd never done before - it was all hills and steps, more hills and more steps...finishing with hills and steps. The driver did his half but was helping me too. We left the office at 10.15 and got back for 16.30 - over six hours.

The union have told us to go for ill health retirement, hence the coming ATOS assessment. If we don't pass that, I have eight more years to work and my friend has six. Who wants to do this job till they are 66