later starts duty times

st postie · Post by **st postie** » 23 Sep 2007, 20:47

on sat our dom was putting up around 40 a4 sheets of paper in the office ,with all the new start times and dutys for october 8, most of them were 6.15 starts untill 14.15 finish, only about 3 people in our office want the late starts, the rest of us dont he put these new dutys up about 1230. on sat when everyone had finished and gone home apart from 3 of us who were doing the last collection i told him to expect some s**t on monday morning he told me he couldnt give a f**k because he wont be in next week hes on leave. typical spineless manager.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 23 Sep 2007, 20:48

Post by **dvbuk55** » 23 Sep 2007, 22:16

st postie wrote:on sat our dom was putting up around 40 a4 sheets of paper in the office ,with all the new start times and dutys for october 8, most of them were 6.15 starts untill 14.15 finish, only about 3 people in our office want the late starts, the rest of us dont he put these new dutys up about 1230. on sat when everyone had finished and gone home apart from 3 of us who were doing the last collection i told him to expect some s**t on monday morning he told me he couldnt give a f**k because he wont be in next week hes on leave. typical spineless manager.

funny that, i thought you were someone from my office. our dom has a very similar habit - kak, fan, day off, week off, family cpmmittment

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 24 Sep 2007, 11:25

In our office, we currently work 5am till 13.25 mon to fri. Sat is 5 am till 11am. Theres been talk of 5, 8hour shifts come the later start. ie 6.15 till 14.15, this would include the sat. Just wondering what any of you lot out there work? And what happened to the significantly shorter Saturday we were able to achieve under SDD. Also, what's going to happen in offices that are very busy, where staff finish late NOW?

meweavy · Post by **meweavy** » 24 Sep 2007, 11:40

heapsy wrote:In our office, we currently work 5am till 13.25 mon to fri. Sat is 5 am till 11am. Theres been talk of 5, 8hour shifts come the later start. ie 6.15 till 14.15, this would include the sat. Just wondering what any of you lot out there work? And what happened to the significantly shorter Saturday we were able to achieve under SDD. Also, what's going to happen in offices that are very busy, where staff finish late NOW?

at our ofice its 6-2 monday to sat...

as for the early saturdays we have been doing and were part of the management agreement in the way forward...

the management have moved the goalposts to suit thier needs...

so no more early saturdays...still as far as our office is concerned we are all still coming in at 5 oclock,when the new start times come in f**k em..

frankie · Post by **frankie** » 24 Sep 2007, 13:44

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 24 Sep 2007, 13:48

You have to admire Managers when it comes to Royal Mail missives from above they are always positive that they will work whatever has happened in the past. Actually no you don't that's what got us in this mess in the first place.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 24 Sep 2007, 14:32

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:You have to admire Managers when it comes to Royal Mail missives from above they are always positive that they will work whatever has happened in the past.

Yes, they're morons. No question about it.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 24 Sep 2007, 14:36

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:You have to admire Managers when it comes to Royal Mail missives from above they are always positive that they will work whatever has happened in the past.
Yes, they're morons. No question about it.

Strange that because that is the sort of positive I am when I buy the lottery ticket!

Throgg · Post by **Throgg** » 24 Sep 2007, 14:47

Our manager does'nt see a problem??? He seems to think that when the new sequencing machines are all up and working( never known a machine to work right in the past)then everything will be just fine and dandy!!!! They only sort letters and not flats, so they still have to be done seperately.He says even though I'll start at 6, the machines will make up that hour and I'll still leave the office at the same time!!! And a pig flies past my window every hour!!!!

But the machines at present can't get my pre-sorted bundles correct, and that's just the postcodes and streets it misreads. The new machines are supposed to door your entire walk for you. I have a mixture of front doors, tenements and business calls. Most of the tenements are 3 ups with 2 or 3 on a landing, with very few people using the flat position when they give their address out, how's the machine going to correctly sort that into my walk?

Have any of these machines been tested on walks that deliver to flats or tenements or is it just front door duties they've been tested?

smarterdarter · Post by **smarterdarter** » 24 Sep 2007, 15:03

heapsy wrote:In our office, we currently work 5am till 13.25 mon to fri. Sat is 5 am till 11am. Theres been talk of 5, 8hour shifts come the later start. ie 6.15 till 14.15, this would include the sat. Just wondering what any of you lot out there work? And what happened to the significantly shorter Saturday we were able to achieve under SDD. Also, what's going to happen in offices that are very busy, where staff finish late NOW?

It's 05.00-13.15 mon-fri and sat 05.00-12.15 with a rotating day off in our D/O
As for your last question work to your time or book the overtime happy days

24601 · Post by **24601** » 24 Sep 2007, 15:16

It takes about 40 minutes to sequence 5000 letters into 12 to 14 deliveries.The mail has to be put through the machine 3 (yes 3 ) times !!!!!

This gives each delivery about 1 tray of mail.

An experienced delivery officer can throw in a tray of unsequenced mail in around 10 minutes.It takes about 4 minutes to throw in a tray of sequenced mail.

After working (and sweating) on these machines for 6 months I can't help thinking -where's the savings and what's the point.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 24 Sep 2007, 16:51

24601 wrote:It takes about 40 minutes to sequence 5000 letters into 12 to 14 deliveries.The mail has to be put through the machine 3 (yes 3 ) times !!!!!

This gives each delivery about 1 tray of mail.

An experienced delivery officer can throw in a tray of unsequenced mail in around 10 minutes.It takes about 4 minutes to throw in a tray of sequenced mail.

After working (and sweating) on these machines for 6 months I can't help thinking -where's the savings and what's the point.

Valuable information - and have heard it before.

We are starting these times far too soon. The machinery isn't proven and as you point out it isn't working. And the idea is it will be walk sequenced and not just walk sorted - which is crap enough - I should know I used to and still do on occasion the missorts.

Do these machines do flats? If not whose going to be sorting those? As it stands at the moment the IPS has increased by 15 minutes, the delivery including TT 4 hours,, and the prep time reduced. This is going to be one monumental cock up - and even more so if people stop starting early and using their cars.

24601 · Post by **24601** » 24 Sep 2007, 17:03

The machines do not sort flats - or postcards - or envelopes with enclosures ie credit cards - or any letter which has not got a 100% perfect bar code printed at the mail centre - or polythene envelopes - or items thicker than 1 mm ------ I could go on !!!!

Post by **dvbuk55** » 24 Sep 2007, 17:36

24601 wrote:The machines do not sort flats - or postcards - or envelopes with enclosures ie credit cards - or any letter which has not got a 100% perfect bar code printed at the mail centre - or polythene envelopes - or items thicker than 1 mm ------ I could go on !!!!

Deep Joy - yet another RM triumph of machine over man!

I once saw a film where the whole town was run by 1 guy and a machine - but the machine was actually in charge - it was Cyber.........something or other. This bloke was closetted in an attic and the machine was telling him what to do ....... getting the picture - Beep Beep Screw their pensions, Beep Beep sack 40k, Beep Beep employ my cousin to sort the mail, Beep Beep stroke Adams thigh wheeeeeeeeeeeee

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