Breakdowns

[millitant]

did you not see the shared vans video on the screen in your office

you must have signed to say you watched it, the revision SAC3 could not be signed off without it

the loops are designed so you both finish back at your van roughly the same time

[fishtank]

their should only be one vehicle key issued

that is the driver who signed for the vehicle

dont want your partner getting a speeding ticket because you race around doing a special , do we, when he signed for the van

Both keys are issued.
Key control has nothing to do with signing for a van.
Only when you sign the log book have you signed for the van.

[millitant]

their should only be one vehicle key issued

that is the driver who signed for the vehicle

dont want your partner getting a speeding ticket because you race around doing a special , do we, when he signed for the van

Both keys are issued.
Key control has nothing to do with signing for a van.
Only when you sign the log book have you signed for the van.

beg to differ on that one

you have signed for the van as soon as the vehicle is given to you, ( signed out of keys and tabs) that person then has the responsibility for the vehicle checks and if the vehicle is roadworthy

if i am mistaken then please tell me but tell me why i am mistaken

[fishtank]

Shared vans: vehicle accountability

Principles of Shared Van working

• Typically one of the shared van pair is nominated as the driver each day to minimize inefficiency as a result of driver changes during the duty
• A set of keys may be held by both OPGs within the pair

Driver Responsibility
While using shared vans, drivers must follow instructions (contained in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles policy, located on the 6 phase intranet site) by completing the logbook as described. Under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Royal Mail has a legal obligation to provide, when required, details on the identity of any driver using a vehicle at a particular time. In order to fulfil this obligation, the Vehicle Condition & Mileage Logbook (the logbook) will be used as the primary day-to-day control record.

For the purposes of the Road Traffic Act 1988, the driver whose name is last recorded in the logbook will be considered responsible for the roadworthiness and security of the vehicle until responsibility is transferred to the next driver by signature in the logbook. Only the driver whose name is recorded in the logbook may drive the vehicle until responsibility is transferred. Subsequent drivers must carry out at least a “duty” level (roadworthiness) vehicle check before driving and the vehicle logbook must be completed in line with the example used in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles Policy, located in the 6 phase intranet site).

Drivers must be able to provide a detailed and accurate record of vehicle transfer between themselves and another driver/s via the logbook.

It is a very serious offence to drive a vehicle without the appropriate driving licence and necessary permission. Any breach of this condition will be treated under the Royal Mail Conduct Code.

Key Holders
Shared van working will work best if both employees sharing the vehicle have key access to the mail compartment so as to minimize waiting time at the van.

Key control processes therefore need to be communicated to employees, and managed, more effectively than ever before.

All sets of vehicle keys must be signed for, i.e.: where two sets of keys are used on a shared van duty then both OPGs must sign separately for each set. The person signing for keys will be considered responsible for their security until responsibility is transferred and details have been recorded on the local office key control record.

Managers must periodically confirm availability of all sets of keys issued for any shared vehicle under their control. Checks should be carried out at the same time as licence checks are conducted (whether the subsequent key holder has a driving licence or not).

When not in use, all vehicle keys must be kept on the person at all times - they must never be left in the vehicle or in any delivery trolley or delivery pouch.

Responsibility for the security of any mail left on board a vehicle which is unattended will be shared jointly between any key holders working from the vehicle. Mail left in unattended vehicles must always be secured within the load area.

Failure to adhere to these principles may lead to disciplinary action being taken under the Conduct Code and could result in dismissal.

[millitant]

For the purposes of the Road Traffic Act 1988, the driver whose name is last recorded in the logbook will be considered responsible for the roadworthiness and security of the vehicle until responsibility is transferred to the next driver by signature in the logbook. [/b
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that is the key

the designated driver becomes responsible after he has done the vehicle checks in the morning and recorded that those checks have been carried out prior to leaving the office

now what happens if your partner goes off and delivers a special in the van with a spare key and gets flashed for speeding or speed van, he denies, not me guv,

it will be his partner who will cop the speeding ticket as he signed for the van

[fishtank]

Only the driver whose name is recorded in the logbook may drive the vehicle

Subsequent drivers must carry out at least a “duty” level (roadworthiness) vehicle check before driving and the vehicle logbook must be completed in line with the example used in the Overnight Retention of Vehicles Policy,

It is a very serious offence to drive a vehicle without the appropriate driving licence and necessary permission

Failure to adhere to these principles may lead to disciplinary action being taken under the Conduct Code and could result in dismissal.

[millitant]

Only the driver whose name is recorded in the logbook may drive the vehicle


totally agree

but what protection is their for the poor posty who does not know his partner has nipped out for some fags and got done by a speed gun using the spare key

as stated, its the posty who signed the van who would be held culpable

It is a very serious offence to drive a vehicle without the appropriate driving licence and necessary permission

management of health and safety at work act 1999

responsibility is on the employer to do the checks

[fishtank]

but what protection is their for the poor posty who does not know his partner has nipped out for some fags and got done by a speed gun using the spare key

You can't legislate for every eventuality.
Is it likely to happen....no.
If i got back to the van and the van was gone,when numbnuts got back with his smokes i would make sure he filled in the logbook covering the time he was away...and make sure he knew the next time it happened a smoke would be the least of his worries.

[eastie]

did you not see the shared vans video on the screen in your office

you must have signed to say you watched it, the revision SAC3 could not be signed off without it

the loops are designed so you both finish back at your van roughly the same time

Not quite true, the loops are designed for the driver to finish about 5 minutes earlier so to do the large parcels for the loops. but this rarely happens as two loops mail is never identical