Dingo wrote:Well the fact that lots of offices introduced a revison without a signed agreement makes it very differcult to track from a union point. Whereas Royal Mail have two clear records one is who is paid and the other is what is known as the ARK process. Even when Bob Gibson sent out the model agreement which had to be filled offices have introduced revisons without adhering to this. Royal Mail are to blame as well.
ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE
ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!
Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
-
POSTMAN
- SITE ADMINISTRATOR
- Posts: 32700
- Joined: 07 Aug 2006, 03:19
- Gender: Male
Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
From another thread,but no doubt it deserves it's own one.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
-
haddie
- Posts: 143
- Joined: 20 Mar 2011, 09:05
- Gender: Male
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
the changeover has to be agreed with management and cwu. unless of course the DO workers concerned just dug in and said "no way". this is a daft position to adopt. there has to be proper planning. do some think they can stall changes? our office just gone live with revision 4 weeks and it is working although some tweaking needed. the change will happen and unless there is negotiation RM can impose change. our rep spent hours of his own time going through issues and it has paid off
-
fishtank
- Posts: 19732
- Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
- Gender: Male
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
Without a signed agreement.
Without a vote.
Without consulting members.
Without improved attendance patterns and 1 in 4 saturdays.
Without the use of delivery methods.
Without any payment or SWW.
Without any kind of accountability at branch,divisional or national level and that's the problem,fascinated by the local agreement model the union has failed to understand that if you continually pass all the power down to local level and leave them to it eventually you have 1500 local unions all doing there own thing,some of it good,some of it indifferent and some of it really,really bad.
Without a vote.
Without consulting members.
Without improved attendance patterns and 1 in 4 saturdays.
Without the use of delivery methods.
Without any payment or SWW.
Without any kind of accountability at branch,divisional or national level and that's the problem,fascinated by the local agreement model the union has failed to understand that if you continually pass all the power down to local level and leave them to it eventually you have 1500 local unions all doing there own thing,some of it good,some of it indifferent and some of it really,really bad.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
-
Lincox
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 3485
- Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 18:07
- Gender: Male
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
Has anyone ever seen a copy of a local agreement? Should there not be a hard copy in each DO and SPDOs concerned, providing ALL of the details of the agreement, when it was agreed, and the members/staff who were given a vote. Far to easy for DOMS/LINOS to say there is an agreement without having to back this up.
-
fishtank
- Posts: 19732
- Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
- Gender: Male
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
There is a delivery revision model agreement.Lincox wrote:Has anyone ever seen a copy of a local agreement? Should there not be a hard copy in each DO and SPDOs concerned, providing ALL of the details of the agreement, when it was agreed, and the members/staff who were given a vote. Far to easy for DOMS/LINOS to say there is an agreement without having to back this up.
All offices completing a revision should have one.
It should be displayed on the union notice board.
it should look like this.
PURPOSE
This is an agreement between the Local CWU rep and Delivery Office Manager. It concludes the planning /revision to be deployed under the six phase revision process as per the Business Transformation 2010 agreement
SUMMARY
• The whole process has been jointly concluded fully utilising the agreed delivery planning/revision tools – IWT, Geo route, Duty Builder including supporting documentation (Establishing Call Rate, Post Optimisation Review, Manual Interventions) and all national joint statements - Model week guidance and Setting the Indoor Performance for Delivery Offices.
• The CWU Rep has been provided with sufficient release to be fully involved in the whole process from start to finish including data gathering and validating the outputs of the revisions tools.
• The Six phase revision process including the zero phase has been followed in full with the CWU rep fully involved at all phases.
• The revision involves the full introduction of Delivery Methods which will be mandatory for all routes including the removal of private cars on delivery. This also includes provision for employees covered by the Equality Act (2010).
• All Health and Safety issues/standards including those contained in Indoor Work Methods have been fully addressed both indoor and outdoor.
• All the necessary training for the changes both indoor and outdoor including PDA’s has been planned for and will be provided before the relevant deployment date.
• The agreed model week reference period for the revision planning is week…………… date………………..
This reflects the expectations of the unit’s employees in a way that is efficient but at the same time
Reliable.
• The Indoor Performance has been agreed as ……… for IPS and ………..for Prep giving an overall indoor performance of …….. This provides the baseline for the indoor revision and the indoor target performance in IWT has been set to align to these hours.
• Weekly resourcing meetings will take place at ………….am/pm on ……………… of every week to ensure that the agreed level of performance will be maintained. To support this, the nationally agreed documentation will be used and an indoor hours forecast will be calculated using the traffic forecasting tool. The appropriate pre-scheduled release will be provided for the local CWU Rep to ensure that the meetings take place and they are able to fully participate.
• Full details of the changes to hourage and staffing are contained in Appendix 1 (TM1 dated ………..). The new work hours will be ………………
• Details of duty structures are listed at appendix 2 and include a list of FT: PT duties, Number of deliver routes and delivery points, SA’s, attendance patterns, days off arrangements, meal reliefs, and Saturday attendances including number of Sats off. This should also include the baseline traffic used for the revision (Model Week Traffic)
• All Walk Logs have been updated and contain all relevant information.
• A full office resign (excluding specialist duties) will be completed either prior to or after deployment as agreed locally. The revision will be deployed on ……………………. in the following phases where agreed:
Phase 1 ……………… (Date) Phase 2………………. (Date)
• This revision is classed as a …………………… revision and qualifies the unit for the following Lump sum payment(s): ……………………….. which will be paid on…………………………….Date(s) including SPDO’s where applicable. Note: A Walk Sequencing revision includes the SWW
• The Phase 6 PIR will be carried out with full CWU involvement and will commence on……………Date.
• Any specified local arrangements not covered in the Model Agreement should be attached as appendix 3
Delivery Office Manager
Name
Signature
Date
CWU Delivery Rep
Name
Signature
Date
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
-
Lincox
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 3485
- Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 18:07
- Gender: Male
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
All well and good Fish, but coming from an SPDO we are having to accept these agreements, signed off by a local rep, but without any discussion, input, vote or anything else. The agreement you have outlined is I assume completed in the parent DO and as far as the SPDOs are concerned, we are not worthy of being consulted, either by Royal Mail or our own CWU.
-
justdeno
- Posts: 362
- Joined: 27 Jan 2012, 16:05
- Gender: Female
Re: Offices introducing a revison without a signed agreement
Same here, we are told we have to agree, not seen a rep for years! We had our walk sequencing done last year, no SWW, or money. Now we are to do all revision, with only Dom and planner. Problem is only half the office are in the union, there is only 9 people, but I and other's will try our best not to be shafted(if anyone knows me I'm like a rottwieller who will not have the pee taken out of me).Lincox wrote:All well and good Fish, but coming from an SPDO we are having to accept these agreements, signed off by a local rep, but without any discussion, input, vote or anything else. The agreement you have outlined is I assume completed in the parent DO and as far as the SPDOs are concerned, we are not worthy of being consulted, either by Royal Mail or our own CWU.