Union walking limit

[jeanie]

We have been told that the p&l duties that seem to big to be done with a trolley are based on you walking on an agreed 4mph. Is it possible to walk at 4mph pulling a loaded trolley???

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

We have been told that the p&l duties that seem to big to be done with a trolley are based on you walking on an agreed 4mph. Is it possible to walk at 4mph pulling a loaded trolley???

Wasn't the walking speed reduced from 4mph to ~3.5mph a few years back?

The inertia of getting a heavily laden HCT (upto 104Kg gross limit for a Mk I) upto walking speed and slowing it down should be taken account in their wonderful system (especially given we should be pushing the HCT around with us and not locking it upto an immovebale object for more than 2/5/10 mins depending upon the risk assessment of your area, plus the "weight off the shoulder" practice), even more so if the roads have any sort of incline, where it really helps to keep the HCT light and make full use of practical drop bags points.

[CORTINA]

Nobody walks a constant 4 miles an hour..........or even an average 4 miles an hour...or i would be walking 16 - 20 miles a day......... total rubbish

[POSTMAN]

There is the below from July 2010,is it still the norm...

There are various walking speeds depending on what equipment you are using and what terrain you are on

For flat walking 5.95km 3.69mph( it used to be 6.44 )4mph

With an HCT 5.53 3.43mph

With a light weight trolley 5.59 3.47mph

Moving a cycle between delivery ponts 5.95 3.69mph

For HCT undulating 4.90 3.04mph
For HCT steep 5.19 3.22mph

Cycle 13.24 8.22mph

light weight trolley undualting 5.72 3.55mph
Light weight trolley steep 5.76 3.57mph

There will be some live testing taken on some of these but most of the speeds have been reduced and are now in geo route 2008 version.

[JP1]

I measured out my full walk the other day (well one walk plus half of another) which was 9.8 miles overall. This was with a HCT, having it with me at most points since a lot of the walk was one long street, so doing loops from the trolley isn't worth it. It took 5hrs 40 mins, but only 3 hrs 11mins of that was I actually moving. The time between being stopping to post stuff, my little sit down between duties, waiting for signatures etc.

So my average speed is 1.7mph, which seems ridiculously slow. I think my break spoiled that and the time it took to prepare the overtime bit, so I may do it again one day. Because that is no where near the speed the union/RM set. My max speed was over 6mph though.

[jeanie]

You would probably be walking quicker than 4mph if you were continulously walking but its hard to prove when your forever slowing down and stopping to put mail through the door.

[bigcol]

I think a growing amount of posties must be waking up to the fact that they our being conned by the extra walking involved by the new P & L.......

How much extra walking are you doing since changing over to P & L.......

None. In fact, a lot less.

[Sco77]

Well i took my Garmin(G.P.S.) running watch with me one day as my D.O.M was trying to tell me one day that the walk was no more than 8 miles in total we'll see about that....
With D2D'S it was 12.4 miles
He tried saying i'd made it up.....? Erm, satelite, Global Positioning System, i couldn't lie about it if i wanted to HAHAHAHAHA,

[dvbuk55]

The union have lost the plot and the battle. There was nothing faster than a bag on the shoulder when you are pretty much continuously moving and that has been proven by the number of people who do not use the trolleys and revert to that system. The problem being of course you cannot complete the same delivery with a trolley that you could without. In order for that to be rectified the union should insist that the use of trolleys be monitored and where a delivery cannot genuinely be completed then the delivery needs to be altered to ensure that weight off the shoulder is adhered to. I can understand a local rep being reluctant to take that burden on without HQ support...........and that is because a blind eye IS being turned.

[krussel]

Well i took my Garmin(G.P.S.) running watch with me one day as my D.O.M was trying to tell me one day that the walk was no more than 8 miles in total we'll see about that....
With D2D'S it was 12.4 miles
He tried saying i'd made it up.....? Erm, satelite, Global Positioning System, i couldn't lie about it if i wanted to HAHAHAHAHA,

Ive had the same problem with my dom who cannot believe my delivery can take over 4hrs 30mins on a heavy day. Ive showed her the gps route on my phone which shows 10.94 miles, she simply turned and walked away.

I ave 2.3 mph on that day as well which i think was quite good

[Sco77]

Well i took my Garmin(G.P.S.) running watch with me one day as my D.O.M was trying to tell me one day that the walk was no more than 8 miles in total we'll see about that....
With D2D'S it was 12.4 miles
He tried saying i'd made it up.....? Erm, satelite, Global Positioning System, i couldn't lie about it if i wanted to HAHAHAHAHA,

Ive had the same problem with my dom who cannot believe my delivery can take over 4hrs 30mins on a heavy day. Ive showed her the gps route on my phone which shows 10.94 miles, she simply turned and walked away.

I ave 2.3 mph on that day as well which i think was quite good

Funny that isn't it....I had the same thing, he simply just turned and walked off HAHAHAHAHA, thing is, you can't lie, i told him that it has literally just calculated my every move for all to see and he just isn't bothered, ooo no, don't go and prove me wrong stoooopid mere postman, i'm a Manager donchya know

[CORTINA]

I think a growing amount of posties must be waking up to the fact that they our being conned by the extra walking involved by the new P & L.......

How much extra walking are you doing since changing over to P & L.......

None. In fact, a lot less.

How many times do you walk back to the van.......... plus the walking of the round

[bigcol]

How many times do you walk back to the van.......... plus the walking of the round

Start and finish at the van, but any walking is your walk.

[jeanie]

Ive come up with the gps too, they can't prove you wrong when your connected to satalites. Don't you love wiping that smug look of them managers faces!!! What can they say