Strike action....

Post by **Mailbag** » 21 Sep 2007, 23:02

I have been on every strike so far but I am not sure how much longer I can keep this up. I have a house, 2 kids, a wife, car and bills to pay. I don't like the fact that the MDEC's are the lowest paid and they are trying to mess with our pensions but I am sure of the whole package regarding what the union wants and what RM wants. Anyone able to bullet point all the criteria for me? I probably will be out on strike again but I'm starting to think about it, christmas isn't that far off and I have to think about that too.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 22 Sep 2007, 07:41

If you are in the Union they will be sending full details including bullet points to your address very soon, no doubt it will also be joined by an avalanche of stuff from RM calling us "Our People" again. However, check the many threads we have on here about what they want:

This one has a link to the proposal given to the CWU minutes before the talks broke down:

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... mail#47162

This one has the unions response:

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... =ltb#50258

although look around the other threads as well as there is stuff all over.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 22 Sep 2007, 15:39

Where's Codey,he'll be able to give you more info.

Post by **Jessika** » 25 Sep 2007, 13:30

sorry for repeating myself but here are the bullet points you wanted

weekend working
RM want to overhaul the whole weekend and bank holiday operation, this inculdes stopping collections, therefore less mail (if any) for us to key meaning no (or at least less staff) weekend shift and no weekend overtime

efficient summer scheduling
This means we will be forced to take our anual leave during quite periods whether we want it or not

Flexable working
This means flexable working hours. Any early finishes we get will be timed owed to the company and we will have to work those hours at xmas with no extra pay (reducing the amount of overtime needed). That could mean a 10 hour day at very short notice. We will also be asked to start early and/or finish late when mail volumes are high due to sickness

Anybody who is trained to work elsewhere will be made to do so if we run out of stuff to key (without being paid the same rate as employees who have been employed to do it in the first place). presumbably those of us who are not currently trained to go work at mail centers could recieve that training

MTSF Agreement
currently if your job disappers the union will get you a job somewhere else in the company with protection to your pay and conditions. RM want to scrap this completly so they can make you redundent with no redundancy package given and no option to work elsewhere

pensions
you will now have to work until 65 (instead of 60) for the less money[/b]

madelin4 · Post by **madelin4** » 25 Sep 2007, 13:50

Well, i have just heard that a lot of people where i work in delivery will be going in on the strike days!! The more people who go in the rest who may have been afraid to go in may well go in now... if they all read stuff on here i dont think they wud be going in

Post by **evilc** » 25 Sep 2007, 14:12

madelin4 wrote:Well, i have just heard that a lot of people where i work in delivery will be going in on the strike days!! The more people who go in the rest who may have been afraid to go in may well go in now... if they all read stuff on here i dont think they wud be going in

simple get them to read this website and if then they are not prepared to strike then there is no helping them.

:cfo :lfo

Post by **de-coded** » 25 Sep 2007, 18:06

The last time I heard about MDEC regrading was that they could call a strike ballot for mdec only on this matter, just look at how many people are willing to strike at Plymouth MDEC Royal Mail will be laughing all the way to the golf course, there is not enough support for this.

goinpostal · Post by **goinpostal** » 25 Sep 2007, 18:26

madelin4 wrote:Well, i have just heard that a lot of people where i work in delivery will be going in on the strike days!! The more people who go in the rest who may have been afraid to go in may well go in now... if they all read stuff on here i dont think they wud be going in

The mood at our office has kept up and even hardend due to printing out stuff that comes online here at RMChat - newspaper articles, the list of changes that Plymouth reps put up before the union pulled the finger out and saw fit to inform us of RM's proposals etc. Just print it out, do enough copies and pass them up the stack. Works like magic!

Post by **Jessika** » 26 Sep 2007, 03:52

More people in mdec will strike over regrading than are striking for our terms and conditions at the moment. This is down to complete ignorance and stupidity. These people think the current strike is about things that wont affect them and they wont listen when u try and tell them otherwise. I've even heard someone say 'why should i strike for the mail centres, they would not strike when we are fighting to be regraded'. When i pointed out it would be illegal for mail centres to be balloted on an issue which only affects mdec they didn't believe me

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 26 Sep 2007, 14:37

But is does affect them now: (or at least as a humble postie I think it does)

Flexible working (they could be trained and then have to work in a Sorting Office, MC or DO even do a walk)

Pensions - pay more in get less out.

More Flexibility (shifts extended or reduced with very little notice)

Annualised Hours.

Also (and this is not bribery) if they don't support us now, will they expect support if they ever go out (ps I would always do as much as I can)

Post by **evilc** » 26 Sep 2007, 14:51

Jessika wrote:More people in mdec will strike over regrading than are striking for our terms and conditions at the moment. This is down to complete ignorance and stupidity. These people think the current strike is about things that wont affect them and they wont listen when u try and tell them otherwise. I've even heard someone say 'why should i strike for the mail centres, they would not strike when we are fighting to be regraded'. When i pointed out it would be illegal for mail centres to be balloted on an issue which only affects mdec they didn't believe me

That just shows complete ignorance of staff at plymouth mdec, as it was only recently that a motion was passed at conference with the branch backing to bring mdec pay into line with opg pay, and who do they think voted to pass that motion, could it be Mail centre staff, well the answer is a big fat YES.

I imagine it was probably the ones that made those comments about m/c's think they are company men and believe everything that managers tell them and even persuade some staff to resign from the cwu.

I can only imagine that when weekend shifts are changed due to weekend collections ceasing and those staff shifts are changed, these members of staff will complain that they cannot turn o/t into toil, so they cannot take additional leave, they will probably think that they should lose their job so they can have their extra leave.!!!!! (selfishness comes to mind)

Post by **evilc** » 26 Sep 2007, 14:57

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:But is does affect them now: (or at least as a humble postie I think it does)

Flexible working (they could be trained and then have to work in a Sorting Office, MC or DO even do a walk)

Pensions - pay more in get less out.

More Flexibility (shifts extended or reduced with very little notice)

Annualised Hours.

Also (and this is not bribery) if they don't support us now, will they expect support if they ever go out (ps I would always do as much as I can)

That would that make me laugh some doing a walk, most cannot even walk upstairs to the keying floor.

Post by **Jessika** » 26 Sep 2007, 23:31

I agree that it does affect mdec just as much but u try and tell some people that and they wont listen. All i can say is If these new working conditions do come in then they better not complain about them. if they wont strike then in my opinion they loose their right to complain

Post by **baldrick** » 27 Sep 2007, 00:10

Jessika wrote:I agree that it does affect mdec just as much but u try and tell some people that and they wont listen. All i can say is If these new working conditions do come in then they better not complain about them. if they wont strike then in my opinion they loose their right to complain

Post by **evilc** » 27 Sep 2007, 06:09

Jessika wrote:I agree that it does affect mdec just as much but u try and tell some people that and they wont listen. All i can say is If these new working conditions do come in then they better not complain about them. if they wont strike then in my opinion they loose their right to complain

If they complain to me I will have two words for them and they begin and end with F.

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