OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

[Stormproof]

Perhaps my post did'nt come across properly. I was reading the news on the INTRANET today and RM had said that a total of 603 revisions had been implemented, the date on the article was yesterday. Not that 603 came in yesterday........lol

It is still failing in my office, have managed to get 99% of staff to take their full meal relief. We still have about half a dozen who start before their time, I have constantly asked for them not to touch their work before the start time but some people are so thick they don't seem to grasp the reasons. I know some arn't using the LWT when they are out but I have no way to deal with that at the moment as I'm out on delivery aswell. We've over 160 people in the office and I reckon at least 120 are doing the job as it should be done. Still not good enough though

[Martin Walsh]

I wonder when these programmes are recorded ? Like I said all the revisons in London had to come in prior to the Olympics,and they were all Delivery Methods as no more revisons can be introduced until after the Olympics now as each office has an agreed plan for getting out early and extra hours !

The plan I saw was well over 600 or the 587 Dvbuk saw.

Will try and confirm for real over the next few days !

[fishtank]

yes fish the union should try and stop it but you know what it is like , sometimes it's not a popular decision for a local rep or area rep to stand up and say to members who are now once again have found a way around using the tools provided to finish early that they now have to use the tools. we all been there and some reps take the bull by the horn and some decide to turn a blind eye.

Pressure must be applied from the top of the union on royal mail senior management to ensure that mandatory means mandatory otherwise there can be no measurement of failure or success and no progression through the fairy tale of upper decile whatever that means and no increase in office performance that will have any real meaning whatsoever.
They might as well scrap WCM in delivery offices as well because you cannot talk about improving safety and reducing accidents while members are not even working to agreed methods.
When royal mail are made to realise that all this is on the line perhaps they will bring their managers on board and take some of the pressure off our reps who are fighting to enforce a "do the job properly" line but being undermined by members,management and receiving very little support from HQ.

[Pat Ostman]

In our office full timers are put on part time duties and just start earlier. Hardly the sign of a successful revision.

[bandit650]

No disrespect to anyone you will get managers pushing staff into corners,putting pressure on staff to get the job done so staff will cut corners,not everyone is strong, some managers need to stop and take a step back because they are bullying staff to do the job which they know full well can't be done,the business has sanctioned a pile of rubbish to be bought in using many things as it will be safer for staff,looking like they actually give a crap we know they don't yet we still go in and try to make it work.Do your job as it should be done using all that the business has given you to use while out on delivery.

[fishtank]

The problem with allowing bad practice to fester in delivery offices is that it spreads like a virus undermining the good work of the union at local level and weakening the office,reps lose interest in an obvious losing battle and can become cynical and self-serving just like the members.
Management use that weakness to introduce un-agreed practices which weakens the office further and this spreads through the area and undermines the branch.
This has a direct effect on recruitment and organisation.

If HQ is willing to turn a blind eye to the ignoring of delivery methods in a delivery methods revision by both members and management they may as well tear up motions 60 and 61 because you will never recruit members in an office that isn't interested to a union that only sees what it wants to see and you will never rebuild a structure on rotten foundations.

This issue might not seem that important to certain members in HQ but something as simple as showing the members that we are not prepared to cave in to the flyers and management over the use of delivery methods and we are prepared to protect jobs and members even from themselves is fundamental to the future of the union.
It's time to take the right path,not the easy,popular path.
We've been there,done that and it doesn't work in the long term and it's long term solutions to it's recruitment and organisational problems the union needs not sticking plasters.

[dvbuk55]

Management are turning a blind eye because they know that to use the mandatory equipment makes the delivery unworkable, consequently the revision HAS failed to make the deliveries equitable and workable. People aren't using trolleys because they take longer to complete and if they use the equipment they are being pressured to complete deliveries that cannot be completed using the equipment. I'm sick of hearing the old adage "chasing time" used to justify the bullying and harassment that goes on when in fact it is trying to complete ON TIME that is the problem and the failure to pay overtime for any overspill. It's time the union got it's head out of it's arse and started to question RM on the obvious failings that are going on, instead of ALSO turning a blind eye. Is it any wonder people don't want to be a member of the union when they see obvious failings being ignored.

By any standards either RMs, the unions or the members WHAT IS A FAILING REVISION?

[bandit650]

A Failing revision is where staff have a work load that is greater than the hours staff have to complete the job,to be classed as having a delivery that is working you must,

A) Use all the equipment that is supplied set out under the agreement.

B)Taking your meal relief which you are required to under the Working Time Directive.

C)Not coming in early to start any part of your duty before time.

D)Culling your delivery at any point to be able to fit it in,just because a manager deems it doable,leaving mail behind of any sort means it has failed.

E)Doing the set loops within the walk that has been set up by the walk revision process,this does not mean you go out and treat the walks as 2 walks.

F)No leaving van doors open running to delivery point chucking mail in dumping packets on steps,with engine running on van,using seat belts in the correct places not driving and just ignoring it,no driving in excess of speed limit to get there.

Unable to follow any of the above criteria is a failing revision.

[dvbuk55]

A Failing revision is where staff have a work load that is greater than the hours staff have to complete the job,to be classed as having a delivery that is working you must,

A) Use all the equipment that is supplied set out under the agreement.

B)Taking your meal relief which you are required to under the Working Time Directive.

C)Not coming in early to start any part of your duty before time.

D)Culling your delivery at any point to be able to fit it in,just because a manager deems it doable,leaving mail behind of any sort means it has failed.

E)Doing the set loops within the walk that has been set up by the walk revision process,this does not mean you go out and treat the walks as 2 walks.

F)No leaving van doors open running to delivery point chucking mail in dumping packets on steps,with engine running on van,using seat belts in the correct places not driving and just ignoring it,no driving in excess of speed limit to get there.

Unable to follow any of the above criteria is a failing revision.

Right well to make it easier what's a working revision

[Martin Walsh]

Whilst I generally agree with some of your points, your main point is confusing as the one of the major issues is that based on a model week there will be times when you have to flex up as well as flex down.

Now all equipment should be provided and used.

As for taking your meal relief I agree, however people not taking their meal relief is something which has happened for decades and does not prove a revison is not working unless someone is being forced to forgo their meal relief.

Similar to those who choose to come in early , how can a union stop this , we have been trying for decades. Now people coming in early will have an impact on their future job targets , Royal Mail are going to relaunch the upper decile in a big way and want to increase producitivity further using this measure.

Agreed no work should be culled and if it is then it would suggest the revison is not working.

Doingnthe revison as the loops are planned should be the measure but we know people design their walks to suit theirselves and their frames. however I would agree that CDVs should not mean treating the loops as two different walks.

I agree on the speeding etc and have seen too many recent dismissal cases where a van has been left running.

Like I said the test on whether a revison is failing should be is the USO being achieved or not. In addition are people being bullied to work at unagreed standards or work beyond their time for no overtime.

if the revison cannot meet the hours management wanted then we should as a local union ask for an increase in the hours under the PIR and use the IR framework if management wont listen.

Out of all these failing revisons , it's intresting not one have requested an industrial action ballot why ? I would suggest that some members enjoy the extra overtime such a chaos revison brings.

[Pat Ostman]

How do you guys take your meal relief with park and loop?

Who decides where and when?

[fishtank]

The membership have been asked to take on the greatest changes to working practices ever seen in the postal industry.
They are struggling with these changes alongside dealing with a largely botched revisions and an increasingly panicked management structure who are using every trick in the book to shoehorn ridiculous deliveries into unworkable duty sets.
The much vaunted 6 step revision process doesn't work because it's overloaded with science,reps are lacking in experience and support from branch has been patchy at best and pathetic in some areas.

Blaming members is poor form,in most cases members are bowing to management pressure when starting early,skipping breaks and ditching equipment because it's the only way to finish on time,not early and avoid the daily dose of bullying and harassment.
Yes the model week system was based on flexing up but this was supposed to be an agreed process not a case of work harder,work faster.

Out of all these failing revisons , it's intresting not one have requested an industrial action ballot why ? I would suggest that some members enjoy the extra overtime such a chaos revison brings.

What kind of local rep would leave his/her office in chaos to pander to the docket kings?
I would suggest if you really believe that you try to change the structure of the union immediately because that kind of rep...we don't need.

[bandit650]

A Failing revision is where staff have a work load that is greater than the hours staff have to complete the job,to be classed as having a delivery that is working you must,

A) Use all the equipment that is supplied set out under the agreement.

B)Taking your meal relief which you are required to under the Working Time Directive.

C)Not coming in early to start any part of your duty before time.

D)Culling your delivery at any point to be able to fit it in,just because a manager deems it doable,leaving mail behind of any sort means it has failed.

E)Doing the set loops within the walk that has been set up by the walk revision process,this does not mean you go out and treat the walks as 2 walks.

F)No leaving van doors open running to delivery point chucking mail in dumping packets on steps,with engine running on van,using seat belts in the correct places not driving and just ignoring it,no driving in excess of speed limit to get there.


To be honest it is so long since anything worked in our office and we have not got a revision in yet they are busy now trying to get some sort of crap in the office that is under the guise of new way of working,so i have not got a scooby
Unable to follow any of the above criteria is a failing revision.

Right well to make it easier what's a working revision

[Stormproof]

Definitely 603 revisions in, double checked on the Intranet today. So still don't know where you got 800 from Dingo.

[DGP1]

Definitely 603 revisions in, double checked on the Intranet today. So still don't know where you got 800 from Dingo.

Probably all those revisions that were put in so some people could get their money.