OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

[gazzariah]

What about a list of successful revisions

heard that po6 is now working if you dont use the trolleys

[bandit650]

What about a list of successful revisions

heard that po6 is now working if you dont use the trolleys

It makes me want to scream,why do staff stop using what they are supposed to use, like the light weight trolleys,the people that enforce this sort of rubbish in with this belief that it is the best way forward! your giving it to them on a plate,if it don't work with the equipment supplied and the way the walks are set up then stop cutting corners to make the rubbish fit.The sooner we all start doing it their way maybe the sooner they might start looking at it all.

[Stormproof]

It makes me want to scream,why do staff stop using what they are supposed to use, like the light weight trolleys,the people that enforce this sort of rubbish in with this belief that it is the best way forward! your giving it to them on a plate,if it don't work with the equipment supplied and the way the walks are set up then stop cutting corners to make the rubbish fit.The sooner we all start doing it their way maybe the sooner they might start looking at it all.

Well said

[Budfrog]

What about a list of successful revisions

heard that po6 is now working if you dont use the trolleys

It makes me want to scream,why do staff stop using what they are supposed to use, like the light weight trolleys,the people that enforce this sort of rubbish in with this belief that it is the best way forward! your giving it to them on a plate,if it don't work with the equipment supplied and the way the walks are set up then stop cutting corners to make the rubbish fit.The sooner we all start doing it their way maybe the sooner they might start looking at it all.

Spot on.

Use the correct tools for the job and make them align workload to duty hours at an acceptable workrate (no more than 75Bs) ... and always follow Safe Systems of Work to the letter !

[bandit650]

What about a list of successful revisions

heard that po6 is now working if you dont use the trolleys

It makes me want to scream,why do staff stop using what they are supposed to use, like the light weight trolleys,the people that enforce this sort of rubbish in with this belief that it is the best way forward! your giving it to them on a plate,if it don't work with the equipment supplied and the way the walks are set up then stop cutting corners to make the rubbish fit.The sooner we all start doing it their way maybe the sooner they might start looking at it all.

Spot on.

Use the correct tools for the job and make them align workload to duty hours at an acceptable workrate (no more than 75Bs) ... and always follow Safe Systems of Work to the letter !

I couldn't say it any better.

[POSTMAN]

111.BRISTOL SEDO

Anyone who works in a Bristol delivery office
is likely to have heard about the fiasco that is
Bristol South East Delivery Office (SEDO).

A revision based on delivery methods (shared
vans) was put in in October last year, but has
been failing since that point. Members struggle
to complete deliveries every day.

RoyalMail has had to flood the unit with managers,
new staff and borrow people from other
units. Morale has been very low and office
managers and staff seem to be at each other’s throats constantly.

Despite all this, Royal Mail has insisted for months that this revision is workable – now is the
time to say ‘enough is enough’. This unit needs to start from scratch with its revision, for the
benefit of staff, customers , and ultimately Royal Mail too. But this time the revision can not
be based on unrealistic expectations of what can be achieved in a working day.

What is going wrong?

Making the problems with the revision worse, there has been a confrontational management
style. There seems to be an attitude that always tries to blame staff in the unit for failures,
instead of trying to understand problems. There has been an obsession with ‘performance’
without looking at the office layout, the mistakes made in planning or any of the other problems.

This has resulted in threats of conduct which threatened to boil over into a full blown
industrial dispute earlier this year.

Doing the job properly.

It has long been said that if members arrive on time for work (instead of early), take the meal
breaks they are entitled to, and do not use their cars, and use the correct delivery equipment,
Royal Mail would have to invest hours in units, rather than cutting them.
This has been proved
to be true in SEDO, where hundreds of work-hours every week have been invested simply so
the work can be completed. This has even included running a night operation.
Members at
SEDO religiously take their meal breaks every day, and should be praised for this. But it shows
that the revision was planned badly and based on unrealistic expectations.

What is good about the revision?

The SEDO revision has not been all bad – it has allowed many members of staff who were part
time to progress to full time. 80% of staff in SEDO are full time.
All duty holders have 1 in 4
Saturdays off, and many enjoy the ‘9 day fortnight’ duty pattern which gives a Friday, Saturday,
Sunday and Monday off every 4 weeks.

How can we fix SEDO?

Managers at SEDO need to step back from the aggressive, blame based approach. At a higher
level, a complete redesign of the revision needs to take place.
They need to start from scratch
– scrapping the unrealistic expectations that the last revision was based on. New agreements
on BSI and ‘Model week’ allow a more sensible approach to be taken.

Shared vans do not have to fail, there are units around the country and Bristol where they are
working. This time, members at the unit need to be fully involved with the design of the revision,
in a way that they never were the first time around.

Only by redesigning the revision and ending the confrontation with staff will progress be
made.

[fishtank]

111.BRISTOL SEDO
What is good about the revision?

All duty holders have 1 in 4 Saturdays off

Royal Mail and CWU commit to achieving at least 1 in 4 Saturdays off for the majority of employees (including reserves) during the roll out of the operational transformation programme

Strange how success is measured in some places.

[Martin Walsh]

It intresting how some consider what a working revison is compared to failing revison. if the test is its failing if not all the right equipment is not used then we might have said that for decades we had had failing revisons as I can recall that cars on delivery were ever part of the tools for th job !

I think the test must be based on the following:

Is quality of service meeting the Of com targets ?

Is their USO failures ?

Is their anyone being bullied to work either beyond their attendance times or to work at unagreed rates.

From a union point of view why should we care if the revison has not saved the hours Royal Mail thought it would providing that our members are being allowed to cover any revison shortfall on overtime prior to casual resource and providing that no bullying is taking place.

Equally any changes must be part of either the PIR or taken through the IR framework.

In London we have introduced over 30 revisons in the last 6 weeks and whilst they will always be some teething problems , none are failures , our members have had the chance to move to less Saturdays and have recieved the money.

No one doubts that some of the intial revisons were disasters but there are now over 800 delivery method revisons been introduced and the list On here is 111 so are the other 700 working or not.

[fishtank]

It intresting how some consider what a working revison is compared to failing revison. if the test is its failing if not all the right equipment is not used then we might have said that for decades we had had failing revisons as I can recall that cars on delivery were ever part of the tools for th job !

Because these are specifically delivery methods revisions.
Because the only reason longer spans were deemed acceptable was if the weight came off the shoulder.
Because the long term health of our members is being ignored for the sake of savings.
Because not using the equipment allows RM to cut more hours.
Because if the equipment was used the revision.....would fail....therefore...it has failed.
This list is not exhaustive.

[Martin Walsh]

Fish I would agree that the correct tools should be used but who is breaking this ! From the reports coming in it is not always management but our own members who find a way to chase time again.

Look there is no doubt that some managers do turn a blind eye but I have also seen some senior managers come down very hard on a local managers for not using the equipment as well.

The reviews which will take place should identify all of this and ensure that the correct tools are being used.

[Stormproof]

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No one doubts that some of the intial revisons were disasters but there are now over 800 delivery method revisons been introduced and the list On here is 111 so are the other 700 working or not.

Where do you get the figure 800 from? According to what I read on the Intranet today it is 603 gone live as of yesterday. Yes we've a list of 111 but I doubt there are members of this forum from every office in the UK, so we only list the ones reported to us. Remember there is also a thread for 'Working Revisions' but you might have to dust that off if you want to add any offices to it

[fishtank]

Fish I would agree that the correct tools should be used but who is breaking this ! From the reports coming in it is not always management but our own members who find a way to chase time again.

The use of the equipment is mandatory,it doesn't matter who is ignoring it the union has the perfect weapon to stop it,protect jobs and the long term health of the members...but refuses to use that weapon.
Then we were given another weapon.....Word Class Mail whose central pillar is allegedly safety and again....nothing,so while the pillar leads draw pretty pictures of strapex in a bin the trolleys lie in the corner gathering dust.
Why?......because it may be unpopular with the boys who carve the job up or it may be unpopular with management?
It's embarrassing and i expected more from Bob Gibson and Dave Joyce.

[Martin Walsh]

Storm prof saw the figures yesterday !! I don't know where you got the figures over 30 have gone in from London alone in the last 4 weeks.

look people won't come on this site to say a revison is working as they are likely to get told it is not by some who would rather paint out everyone is not working !!!

yes fish the union should try and stop it but you know what it is like , sometimes it's not a popular decision for a local rep or area rep to stand up and say to members who are now once again have found a way around using the tools provided to finish early that they now have to use the tools. we all been there and some reps take the bull by the horn and some decide to turn a blind eye.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

I dispair at my depot, too many posties are too keen to finish on time or perhaps even a bit early by ignoring the correct use of delivery methods (P&L pairs carrying pouches, HCT users still locking up HCT to deliver by loops with pouches), without much manager pressure as far as I'm aware. It is hard to tell right now if this is posties deciding upon how to deliver to make their contract hours work, or whether the real factor is trying to avoid any performance pressure from managers for either booking o/t or cutting off on a daily basis.

Me, I follow the protocols as I understand them, it takes considerably longer to deliver and thereby gives me the o/t that I need to boost my pathetic contract. I've seen a colleague complete the whole walk (having physically seen them walking back to a locked up trolley with a pouch on their back) that I've completed ~75% of in the same time, following SSOW and keeping weight completely off my shoulder. If my colleague wants to finish on time, follow the protocol and leave part of the walk behind!

Really does not help that protocols are not being advised by management or union (at my place at least), yet alone enforsed...

[dvbuk55]

Well the figure shown on RM TV this morning was 587 - do we have an updated figure on the failures as per RMs Moya? You have to believe the lady who is running the show.

The use of equipment in addition to weight off shoulder was also to protect jobs and if the union is ignoring the mandatory use of the equipment then it follows that they have no real issue in protecting jobs.

You have all the spouting about weight off shoulder, protecting jobs and after the event - it doesn't matter apparently.