OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

[P13]

You would have thought that after two years of revisions, of which the failures are legion, there would have been common ground after all this time to correct the failures and to learn the lessons so that each new revision WAS flawless...............but as they say you can lead a horse to water but.....

I think there is common ground on the revisions that are working! it is called non use of trolleys

[dvbuk55]

You would have thought that after two years of revisions, of which the failures are legion, there would have been common ground after all this time to correct the failures and to learn the lessons so that each new revision WAS flawless...............but as they say you can lead a horse to water but.....

I think there is common ground on the revisions that are working! it is called non use of trolleys

But would that not constitute a failing revision who knows there doesn't seem to be common ground on what exactly IS a failing office - it depends I suppose on what perspective you view it from.

[P13]

You would have thought that after two years of revisions, of which the failures are legion, there would have been common ground after all this time to correct the failures and to learn the lessons so that each new revision WAS flawless...............but as they say you can lead a horse to water but.....

I think there is common ground on the revisions that are working! it is called non use of trolleys

But would that not constitute a failing revision who knows there doesn't seem to be common ground on what exactly IS a failing office - it depends I suppose on what perspective you view it from.

I would class it as a failing revision but i think Royal Mail and their managers see it as a raging success

[alchemyst]

Bristol SEDO
Our office is failing big time! We've been at it for months now and frankly it's a bloody joke. We cover 2 very large postcode areas of Bristol and the revision was first introduced beginning with one area under the proviso that only when it had been made to work would it be implemented into the whole office. Well after months of it failing in half the office they decided not to wait any longer and brought it in any way and hence we are failing all over, to the point whereby it has become bloody embarrasing! At least once a week you can expect to arrive in the morning to find half walks left in the frames from the previous day, packets and all, and yet when it suits, the management still think it's ok to sack/suspend people who might have brought a letter back in the next morning! We've had the area manager in having meetings with all and sundry and managers timing/following people, we've got so many new part-timers it's a joke and even got several people doing nights which all in all has got to be costing a bastard fortune.. what the hell is wrong with this company? Until 18 months ago I really enjoyed being a postie, now as with all my colleagues, if there was any other option I'd be gone in a shot!

[surreymonkey]

I have to say that despite the revisions failing in our office I am enjoying the job immensely. When I see that a job is not achievable I do not waste my time trying to do the impossible. I relax and just move along at whatever pace suits me. Sometimes I'll work over to complete and sometimes I won't - in which case the managers do it. It's their problem.

[skilzlost]

Medway MC?

or is it too early yet to declare failings?

all i see out of world class is alot of graphs and alot of people walking about inspecting these graphs and alot of different bins. I was really up for a new MC but it is worse than before in my eyes, something has got to give.

[Ozzvaldo]

4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working

It all depends on what is meant by "working". At the moment, i.e. the quietest time of the year, we are still seeing days where mail is being returned and/or OT booked. As we don't fill dockets anymore and simply report the amount of OT to a PHG who records it on a dictaphone, then God knows what "official" reasons for the excess hours are cooked up by the Gestapo.

Once September arrives, they're going to need an imagination better than the Government.

[Stormproof]

4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working

It all depends on what is meant by "working". At the moment, i.e. the quietest time of the year, we are still seeing days where mail is being returned and/or OT booked. As we don't fill dockets anymore and simply report the amount of OT to a PHG who records it on a dictaphone, then God knows what "official" reasons for the excess hours are cooked up by the Gestapo.

Once September arrives, they're going to need an imagination better than the Government.

So its not working??

Medway MC?

or is it too early yet to declare failings?

all i see out of world class is alot of graphs and alot of people walking about inspecting these graphs and alot of different bins. I was really up for a new MC but it is worse than before in my eyes, something has got to give.

We've not listed MC's.......yet.
I've heard its been renamed Medway Fail Centre, is that true?

[Ozzvaldo]

4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working

It all depends on what is meant by "working". At the moment, i.e. the quietest time of the year, we are still seeing days where mail is being returned and/or OT booked. As we don't fill dockets anymore and simply report the amount of OT to a PHG who records it on a dictaphone, then God knows what "official" reasons for the excess hours are cooked up by the Gestapo.

Once September arrives, they're going to need an imagination better than the Government.

So its not working??

Not in my humble opinion. Allied to what I mentioned in my previous post is the fact that there are still a number of deluded fools who believe that they absolutely must complete their duty in the allotted time irrespective of mail volumes. You know what's coming next. Starting early, not having a full break entitlement (the usual excuse given when challenged by colleagues is, "I haven't got time for a break on my duty"), rushing around the delivery, not using LWTs, driving like loonies etc.

This only serves to mask the full extent of the problems in my office.....although at least one section of the staff, i.e. the management, are absolutely ecstatic about the whole situation.

To be honest, I can't see how ANY office can make a proper go of these changes, based as they are upon the curious concept of "model week" which automatically predicts DO failure for 50-60% of the days/weeks in a year. This, of course, was all glossed over very quickly in the various presentations that we had to endure before our revision with the peddling of vague fantasies concerning heroic posties who'd somehow finished their deliveries early riding off into the sunset on their white chargers to complete the excess mail left by all the other lazy sods. In the real world, however, the only way this mail can possibly go out is if the management do it or are prepared to stump up some OT, but they are rarely challenged to make these decisions because the people who don't wish to work past 3 o'clock are working eyeballs-out to finish on time.

The truth is, that some individuals aren't actually lazy enough for their own good and will happily flog themselves into the ground to complete rather than put the ball into the management's court, a ball that, all things being even, they can't return. Why?....because P&L deliveries take so much longer to complete (done properly with LWTs) than the pair of duties they were cobbled together from under the old system. I've performed quite a lot of the duties from my office both before and after the changes and I haven't found a single one that takes less time now than it did before....and the vast majority of the van shares in my office are simply two of the old rounds manacled together with no changes in content at all (apart from the additional time burden of now having to deliver the parcels and Tracked items that were previously the work of our dedicated parcel duties, that is).

The whole vision of P&L, whilst acknowledging that it contains certain laudable goals such as taking weight off the shoulder, was flawed from its conception and, rather sadly, a lot of people who's best interests are not served by it are doing their best to shoe-horn it in by whatever means possible.

[bandit650]

Medway MC?

or is it too early yet to declare failings?

all i see out of world class is alot of graphs and alot of people walking about inspecting these graphs and alot of different bins. I was really up for a new MC but it is worse than before in my eyes, something has got to give.

Well it won't be the management of Medway MC,Graphs and silly pictures ain't gonna get the mail to where it's going any quicker.

[Stormproof]

4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working

It all depends on what is meant by "working". At the moment, i.e. the quietest time of the year, we are still seeing days where mail is being returned and/or OT booked. As we don't fill dockets anymore and simply report the amount of OT to a PHG who records it on a dictaphone, then God knows what "official" reasons for the excess hours are cooked up by the Gestapo.

Once September arrives, they're going to need an imagination better than the Government.

So its not working??

Not in my humble opinion. Allied to what I mentioned in my previous post is the fact that there are still a number of deluded fools who believe that they absolutely must complete their duty in the allotted time irrespective of mail volumes. You know what's coming next. Starting early, not having a full break entitlement (the usual excuse given when challenged by colleagues is, "I haven't got time for a break on my duty"), rushing around the delivery, not using LWTs, driving like loonies etc.

This only serves to mask the full extent of the problems in my office.....although at least one section of the staff, i.e. the management, are absolutely ecstatic about the whole situation.

To be honest, I can't see how ANY office can make a proper go of these changes, based as they are upon the curios concept of "model week" which automatically predicts DO failure for 50-60% of the days/weeks in a year. This, of course, was all glossed over very quickly in the various presentations that we had to endure before our revision with the peddling of vague fantasies concerning heroic posties who'd somehow finished their deliveries early riding off into the sunset on their white chargers to complete the excess mail left by all the other lazy sods. In the real world, however, the only way this mail can possibly go out is if the management do it or are prepared to stump up some OT, but they are rarely challenged to make these decisions because the people who don't wish to work past 3 o'clock are working eyeballs-out to finish on time.

The truth is, that some individuals aren't actually lazy enough for their own good and will happily flog themselves into the ground to complete rather than put the ball into the management's court, a ball that, all things being even, they can't return. Why?....because P&L deliveries take so much longer to complete (done properly with LWTs) than the pair of duties they were cobbled together from under the old system. I've performed quite a lot of the duties from my office both before and after the changes and I haven't found a single one that takes less time now than it did before....and the vast majority of the van shares in my office are simply two of the old rounds manacled together with no changes in content at all (apart from the additional time burden of now having to deliver the parcels and Tracked items that were previously the work of our dedicated parcel duties, that is).

The whole vision of P&L, whilst acknowledging that it contains certain laudable goals such as taking weight off the shoulder, was flawed from its conception and, rather sadly, a lot of people who's best interests are not served by it are doing their best to shoe-horn it in by whatever means possible.

I think after what you have typed, 'Working' should be removed. If anyone disagrees please feel free to share your thoughts.

[Stormproof]

UPDATED

Is your office failing with the new revision? PM me the office and Postcode (as most cities have more than 1 office)for anonymity and I'll put it on the list. Lets see how many are failing and have'nt hit the headlines yet. I don't want to put in the reports from the press just yet, rather it was from the horses mouth

If your office is in the list and is not failing anymore then please let us know.

1. BARNSLEY DO
2. STRATFORD UPON AVON DO
3. DUNDEE EAST DO
4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17
5. LIVINGSTON DO
6. LEEDS LS1/LS2 DO
7. TROON DO
8. BEITH DO
9. DALRY DO
10. KILWINNING DO
11. NORTH WEST DO M27/M28/M38
12. CREWE DO
13. GARSTANG DO PR3
14. SHEEPSCAR DO LS6/LS7
15. DENTON DO M34
16. ADDLESTONE DO KT15
17. BRAMLEY DO LS13
18. RAYLEIGH DO SS
19. WARWICK DO
20. DEWSBURY DO
21. BELFAST DO Tomb St BT7
22. PETERLEE DO
23. SUNDERLAND DO
24. GATESHEAD DO
25. DINNINGTON DO Sheffield
26. CARLISLE DO CA1
27. MORECAMBE DO
28. HERNE BAY DO CT6
29. CALDERWAY DO WF13/14
30. FAVERSHAM DO
31. MAIDSTONE DO ME14/15/16
32. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE(WEST) DO
33. STROUD DO GL6 Working 95+% of the time
34. DARWEN DO BB3
35. LEIGH DO
36. RUNCORN DO
37. ST HELENS DO
38. HYTHE DO CT21
39. WIGAN DO
40. MILTON KEYNES MK1-16
41. BOGNOR REGIS LDO PO21
42. EDGWARE DO (HA)
43. PINNER DO (HA) Part Revision- Failed
44. SALISBURY DO
45. ANDOVER DO
46. EASTLEIGH DO
47. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE DO
48. CHESTERFIELD DO S40 1AA
49. BLACKPOOL DO
50. ROCHDALE DO OL16
51. ABERDEEN ALTENS
52. HOYLAKE DO CH47
53. NEWTONABBEY DO BT36
54. POLEGATE BN26
55. EASTBOURNE BN21
56. CHRISTCHURCH DO BH23
57. CAMBRIDGE DOCB4
58. BOOTLE DO l21-23
59. ROTHERHAM DO
60. NEWHAVEN DO BN9
61. WESTHAM DO BN23
62. SANDWICH CT13
63. PRESTON SOUTH DO
64. TWICKENHAM DO TW1 & TW2
65. GRIMSBY DO
66. HALFWAY DO
67. BOURNEMOUTH DO BH1-3 & BH5-8
68. OLNEY DO MK46
69. LANCASTER DO LA1
70. WAKEFIELD DO
71. ILKESTON DO
72. DUDLEY DO DY1/DY2/DY3
73. DELL DO EDINBURGH
74. BEXHILL DO
75. REDCAR DO TS10
76. NEW FERRY DO CH62
77. PRENTO DO CH43
78. SOLIHULL DO
79. KENILWORTH DO
80. PORTSMOUTH DO
81. BENFLEET DO SS7
82. BURY DO BL0
83. WEST PARK DO PLYMOUTH PL5
84. SWANSCOMBE DO DA10
85. NEWRY DO NI
86. ST AUSTELL PL25
87. ELLESMERE PORT CH65 & 66
88. STAFFORD DO ST16/17/18/19/20/21
89. BASILDON DO SS14
90. BRIGHTON DO
91. BANBURY DO
92. INVERCLYDE DO PA14-19
93. COSHAM PO6
94. ORPINGTON DO BR6
95. WALLASEY DO CH44/45
97. ASHFORD
98. TAUNTON DO TA2 TA3/4
99. BELPER DO
100.HULL HU5
101.PAISLEY DO
102.EAST KILBRIDE DO G74/G75
103.CROSBY DO L22 2AA
104.LINCOLN DO
105.DUNFERMLINE DO
106.PO7
107. PO8
108.EAST KILBRIDE DO G74
109.PL6
110.CLARKSTON G76
111.BRISTOL SEDO

[bandit650]

I think your right if something is working it means that the job is being done in the correct way,using the equipment that has been supplied,doing the job as it should be done and that does not include running round like some headless,driving like a mad hatter,taking your breaks, etc.It can not be said that something is working if your not doing things right.

[justdeno]

I think your right if something is working it means that the job is being done in the correct way,using the equipment that has been supplied,doing the job as it should be done and that does not include running round like some headless,driving like a mad hatter,taking your breaks, etc.It can not be said that something is working if your not doing things right.

Well said, fully agree.

[islfor]

Bangor
Colwyn Bay
Llandudno
Wrexham
some of the offices who have failed miserable after transformation in the North Wales region.