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These big books then.

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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: These big books then.

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Talell wrote:
zx135 wrote:thats what the union rep is for, just tell him, its his job to point out to manager that drivers should be delivering them
no, it's not.
, and if he doesnt just go over his head
no, you don't.
, no nead for any confrontation with manager by any postie, thats why we pay our dues so reps will deal with this sort of issue
and that's why everything sucks, 'not my problem, so and so will deal with it'

sorry dont get where you coming from here, i personally thought that if rm were going out with argeements they had negotiated with the union then you should inform you union rep to get him to approach management and get it resolved, and if he is not doing his job then to go over his head? am i wrong with that assumption?
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Talell wrote:
zx135 wrote:thats what the union rep is for, just tell him, its his job to point out to manager that drivers should be delivering them
Talell wrote:no, it's not.
then what exactly is the union rep there for?
, and if he doesnt just go over his head
Talell wrote:no, you don't.
if someone isnt doing their job who do you go to then?
, no nead for any confrontation with manager by any postie, thats why we pay our dues so reps will deal with this sort of issue
Talell wrote:and that's why everything sucks, 'not my problem, so and so will deal with it'
but what if its these people jobs to deal with and they are not?
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All the answers you need are here...
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=29217" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: These big books then.

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My postie has just been round,i am hols this week,we have no P/L revision yet but they are making them take the books out again in pouches,this is our 3rd batch in 2 weeks told him to see the rep but a lot of them just don't want to make waves (understandable i suppose)
It really gets my goat that RM will not abide by agreements that don't suit them,if they can't handle the contract for BB they should get more staff or offer overtime!
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zx135 wrote:sorry dont get where you coming from here, i personally thought that if rm were going out with argeements they had negotiated with the union then you should inform you union rep to get him to approach management and get it resolved, and if he is not doing his job then to go over his head? am i wrong with that assumption?
First of all the RM Policy on BB items is not an agreement however i completely agree with you that the responsibility in a unit for ensuring that management stick to both agreements and established policy does lie with the rep.
Of course it is then up to the membership in that unit to give full support to that rep.
It is obviously an IR issue and the person supposedly trained and given release to deal with IR issues is the rep.
I'm not sure what Talell's point is but if the idea is that it should be left to individual members to deal with management over this issue that's a dangerous and divisive attitude.
There is an old saying...why keep a dog and bark yourself?
There are enough members opting out of dog ownership as it is. :cuppa
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Re: These big books then.

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The Big Book agreement on here dates from 2007.
They have another one, more recent, which simply states - consideration must be given to weight on delivery.
Doesn't say they have to go with drivers at all, anywhere.
Area rep -well if you can take one, then take one - it's fine.
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Lounge Lizard
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Re: These big books then.

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clashcityrocker wrote:The Big Book agreement on here dates from 2007.
They have another one, more recent, which simply states - consideration must be given to weight on delivery.
Doesn't say they have to go with drivers at all, anywhere.
Area rep -well if you can take one, then take one - it's fine.
"Doesn't say they have to go with drivers at all" - indeed and there shouldn't be a problem on bikes if the bags are split down to the proper weight. :Very Happy and some letter boxes are big enough to take them anyway. :Very Happy
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Re: These big books then.

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Lounge Lizard wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:The Big Book agreement on here dates from 2007.
They have another one, more recent, which simply states - consideration must be given to weight on delivery.
Doesn't say they have to go with drivers at all, anywhere.
Area rep -well if you can take one, then take one - it's fine.
"Doesn't say they have to go with drivers at all" - indeed and there shouldn't be a problem on bikes if the bags are split down to the proper weight. :Very Happy and some letter boxes are big enough to take them anyway. :Very Happy
It is not simply an issue of "proper" weight.
These books could be for the last door in your bag or very near to it..
You are unlikely in the normal course of delivery to have to carry 2.5kg of dead weight all the way to your last delivery point.
The bag weight matrix was not designed with BB in mind.
That is why they should go with the vans despite RM trying to move the goalposts and some reps reluctance to challenge management over it. :roll:
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When was it changed then,what year?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Re: These big books then.

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POSTMAN wrote:When was it changed then,what year?
No idea.
I haven't seen any new document.
The one i have is called RM Heavyweight handout for Delivery Postmen and Women,it's very similar to yours,has no date on it and still says that over 1Kg goes on vans.
It's an RM doc not CWU but i think? i got it from Branch.. :neutral:
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chrisj wrote:Some even get 2 per household... :arrrghhh
Most of mine had 2 the same why? :crazy:
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justdeno wrote:
chrisj wrote:Some even get 2 per household... :arrrghhh
Most of mine had 2 the same why? :crazy:
One to use and one to keep in pristine condition as an heirloom for their children. :crazy:
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Re: These big books then.

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Lounge Lizard wrote:
justdeno wrote:
chrisj wrote:Some even get 2 per household... :arrrghhh
Most of mine had 2 the same why? :crazy:
One to use and one to keep in pristine condition as an heirloom for their children. :crazy:
Doh I'm so silly, better than Collegue Shares , they may be worth something! :Very Happy
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Re: These big books then.

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fishtank wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:When was it changed then,what year?
No idea.
I haven't seen any new document.
The one i have is called RM Heavyweight handout for Delivery Postmen and Women,it's very similar to yours,has no date on it and still says that over 1Kg goes on vans.
It's an RM doc not CWU but i think? i got it from Branch.. :neutral:
Well until Geezer puts the new one up,f**k 'em. :so there
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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dre33dd
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Re: These big books then.

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i am our office rep and to be honest never realised there was a weight limit
we tend to go on size alone in our office
as long as the bag is not overweight we take everything out
is there any official limits etc as i would love to see them and use them at my next resourcing meeting
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