Lifting your hands to a manager

[DGP1]

A wee update the postie concerned was suspended on Saturday morning and he was lettered by the management on Monday morning....Not looking good for him..The reason i posted the thread was due to the fact i thought the management would need to act on it.. Because it would open up a can of worms if the situation ever arouse again and they had not dealt correctly with the original incident...

Definitely get the area rep involved but as I said before, with RM the way it is now then I would assume the worst possible penalty.

[Budfrog]

A wee update the postie concerned was suspended on Saturday morning and he was lettered by the management on Monday morning....Not looking good for him..The reason i posted the thread was due to the fact i thought the management would need to act on it.. Because it would open up a can of worms if the situation ever arouse again and they had not dealt correctly with the original incident...

Sorry to hear of anyone being suspended but if you raise your hands to anyone, of any grade, even with provocation, there is very little to defend the action.

I'm interested with your statement "Because it would open up a can of worms if the situation ever arouse again and they had not dealt correctly with the original incident..." because there is a lack of consistency throughout the business when dealing with offences of this nature. I know of at least 2 senior managers (one now retired and the other currently a MCM) who have physically assaulted other senior managers only to be 'moved'. There is a also a SB9 DOM who was moved after an altercation with a CWU rep which resulted in Police being called, the DOM's defence was that 'barging into' the Rep was an accident, OK so why was he immediately moved? So there are cases and no doubt many many more where an employee does not end up at the Job Centre but strong representation, a good record to date and a fair bit of luck will be needed.

A lot of the time the problem is not just with the offence itself but the climate that exists between the offender and his victim in the office afterwards so a move to another function/office is often desirable.

[clashcityrocker]

The original post also says he shoved him twice.
Why wouldn't the manager have walked away after the first shove?

[fishtank]

A lot of the time the problem is not just with the offence itself but the climate that exists between the offender and his victim in the office afterwards so a move to another function/office is often desirable.

It is also often very difficult to work out how much of a victim the victim is.
Unfortunately i know of members who will provoke a situation sometimes over a long period of time and then run off to management the minute they get a "bite".
I can understand why this can be a minefield for management and that is probably what leads to the inconsistencies you mention.

[General Mannerheim]

The original post also says he shoved him twice.
Why wouldn't the manager have walked away after the first shove?

Numb?
A Billy big bolloxs who was well ard?
Who knows maybe he was a pod person and in the throws of the change over from person to pod?

[Stormproof]

The rep now needs to be asking what the provcation was, the LM could obviously see that the problem was getting heated why did he not give the OPG 10 mins to cool off?
Were there any witnesses P739?

A while back we had 2 posties have a punch up in town and loads of verbal, both in uniform, both got suspended in the end 1 got sacked the other got a serious on their record.

[P739]

The rep now needs to be asking what the provcation was, the LM could obviously see that the problem was getting heated why did he not give the OPG 10 mins to cool off?
Were there any witnesses P739?

A while back we had 2 posties have a punch up in town and loads of verbal, both in uniform, both got suspended in the end 1 got sacked the other got a serious on their record.

There was as it happens it was at his prep frame...

[hantsman]

Are we going to be dripped fed bits of info? The only defense will be self defense pardon the pun. I hope this guy has not played into the so called mangers hands!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

what gets my goat is that if I had done as this Manager obviously has (that is continue a heated argument in a public place) in previous employment, I would have been warned officially at a minimum.

Any manager worth his salt will only hold meetings that may turn heated in a closed office, with a witness present for themselves and should give the member of staff an opportunity to have one as well. If it was a bit of banter, then as soon as it started getting ugly the Manager should either remove themselves from the situation, or if unable then move the discussion into the office as described above.

[fishtank]

If it was a bit of banter, then as soon as it started getting ugly the Manager should either remove themselves from the situation, or if unable then move the discussion into the office as described above.

It never seems to click with Royal Mail that since this is a labour intensive job it stands to reason that the most important skill that a manager should have is an ability to manage people.
It's no good being the smartest person on the planet or the best organiser or have the greatest knowledge of the inner workings of Royal Mail if you can't get the most basic principle of conflict management right.
I don't know what happened here or if it's even relevant but in my experience too many of RM's managers seem to see conflict as positive sign that they are managing,a badge of honour when all it really is...is a sign of failure.