FULL UPDATE FROM CWU HQ - DATES NAMED

wont cross the line · Post by **wont cross the line** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:05

YOU HAVE TO FIGHT NOW 4 THE FUTURE LETS ALL BE STRONG ITS NOT ALL ABOUT THE MONEY

digitalangel · Post by **digitalangel** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:07

Loss of money I could live without is one thing but if I don't have money to pay my rent, my landlord will kick me out and then what do I do? I don't live near my family. What do I use to buy food? People need money just to live.

I already have little left after bills, transport to work each week and I start my part-time degree next month with money needed for that once my partial grant runs out.

As for my holiday? I've been saving hard for this trip as well it being a chance to visit my friend who lives out there.

I rejoined Royal Mail after a 5yr break and, though I may have career aspiration outside the company, I'm a third generation postlady and any problems will affect my mother and indirectly affect me so still have a stake in all this.

Calling people strike breakers doesn't cause friction or disharmony. Crossing picket lines while the rest of us fight their battles for them does that.

In our office it causes major problems and I find it personally distasteful especially when the Union Rep is the instigator. We're not children in a playground, we shouldn't be bullying or pressuring people (we're no better than management then) and everyone has a right to their own opinion last time I checked and tolerance seems to be in short supply.

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:12

It's difficult being tolerant when you're being stabbed in the back. You are not the only one on the breadline

stevepostman · Post by **stevepostman** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:13

for me its not about losing money. its the contempt that RM hold for me and my colleagues.

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:13

donut wrote:WHATS THE CHANCES OF THE RM SAYING THEY WANT TO TALK .....SAY ON 4TH OCT AND THE UNION FALLING FOR IT (AGAIN) AND CANCELING THE STRIKES ??

IT SAYS IN THE L.T.B. ROLLING PROGRAMME OF FUNCTIONAL STRIKES TO CONTINUE UNTILL RESOLUTION OF THE DISPUTE

:cfo :lfo

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:18

digitalangel wrote:Calling people strike breakers doesn't cause friction or disharmony. Crossing picket lines while the rest of us fight their battles for them does that.

In our office it causes major problems and I find it personally distasteful especially when the Union Rep is the instigator. We're not children in a playground, we shouldn't be bullying or pressuring people (we're no better than management then) and everyone has a right to their own opinion last time I checked and tolerance seems to be in short supply.

We had a democratic vote in which over 77% of people voted to strike. It's not bullying to call a scab a scab. If it walks like a duck and says 'quack', it's a duck. If people don't like being called strike breakers, they why scab? You speak for yourself, but I'm far better than any manager I've ever met in my life in any job I've ever worked at, and I would say the same for anyone I've worked with. There isn't a manager alive who comes close to me or my fellow workers when it comes to honesty and integrity.

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:19

I won't go over the same stuff already mentioned it goes without saying i aggree 100%. Let's stick it up these pasty faced fat arse licking mother f***ing s**t c***'s (iv'e never been known for my subtle repossed). however where the pensions are concerned you need to know that should RM bring in the changes they want your statements you have now will be worthless because they only apply to the scheme as it is now. RM will tell you that you could still go at 60 but you will under there new pension rules have taken early retierment and they will take back 25% of your pay out. the new scheme will also be based on your wage from the day you start till the day you finish and averaged out. In a nut shell you will lose thousands of pounds compared to the current final salary scheme. IN A WORD IT WONT BY YOU A POT TO PISS IN. and you certainly could not live on it but it will save RM billions of pounds in the long term the thieving c***s

cruisey · Post by **cruisey** » 20 Sep 2007, 16:42

A good move by the union. All reps have to rally the troops for the first 2 stoppages. Now is the time for unity and strength. Money's tight for everyone but i'd rather strike now and have a better future. If RM have their way, i'll be 27 quid worse off on D2D payments and don't forget, if RM rewrites the MTSF, allowance protection goes and so does my 12 quid early start money. So much for grandfather rights.
Rolling srtikes until a resolution is reached. like that a lot. Just think the strike rolls on til christmas. Massive backlogs of normal mail and christmas mail being delayed. Maximum effect for minimum loss.
I know it was a while coming but it was worth the wait.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 20 Sep 2007, 17:07

digitalangel wrote:Loss of money I could live without is one thing but if I don't have money to pay my rent, my landlord will kick me out and then what do I do? I don't live near my family. What do I use to buy food? People need money just to live.

I already have little left after bills, transport to work each week and I start my part-time degree next month with money needed for that once my partial grant runs out.

As for my holiday? I've been saving hard for this trip as well it being a chance to visit my friend who lives out there.

I rejoined Royal Mail after a 5yr break and, though I may have career aspiration outside the company, I'm a third generation postlady and any problems will affect my mother and indirectly affect me so still have a stake in all this.

Calling people strike breakers doesn't cause friction or disharmony. Crossing picket lines while the rest of us fight their battles for them does that.

In our office it causes major problems and I find it personally distasteful especially when the Union Rep is the instigator. We're not children in a playground, we shouldn't be bullying or pressuring people (we're no better than management then) and everyone has a right to their own opinion last time I checked and tolerance seems to be in short supply.

Well far be it from me to put a little math into the equation but is food etc not more important than a holiday in Australia - maybe it would have been better left in the savings acount.

frankie · Post by **frankie** » 20 Sep 2007, 17:49

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 20 Sep 2007, 18:18

digitalangel wrote:How will this affect pay?

ie. will the first two days come out of one week or will it all be out of one week's wages?

The general feeling in my office today was disbelief. Most people can't afford to lose that much wages.

Two days per week is the max. I can live without as my rent and utility bills come out weekly and cost half of my wages. My savings were for my Australia trip which has now been booked and paid for (going end of Oct) and thus my account looks unhealthy.

I suspect more people may cross lines than before especially single parents struggling with 1-day strikes...

I know alot of people will flame me for this but calling people strike breakers doesn't pressure them to fall in line but causes friction bewteen staff and disharmony. Bills don't pay themselves especially if you have a child to feed and clothe, etc all by yourself.

I don't call people strike breakers to pressurise them, luv. I call 'em strike breakers, usually because it's an apt discription of weak, selfish, very very stupid people, who
if they were on the terraces of a football club, their favourite chant would be, ME , ME , ME, THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON MATTERS AND IT'S ME , ME , ME.

Post by **Carnoustie** » 20 Sep 2007, 18:58

You seem to be under a great deal of stress about this whole strike business, and it's only going to get worse for you in the next fortnight. In fact, I can see it making you so ill that you might well have to phone in sick on Thursday 4th October. I prescribe 7 self-certificated days off, which should ease your headaches and enable you to indirectly support your colleagues and leave you able to still pay your bills.

Not an ideal solution, but a negotiated settlement ?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 20 Sep 2007, 19:01

digitalangel wrote:How will this affect pay?

ie. will the first two days come out of one week or will it all be out of one week's wages?

It should be 2 days out of each week otherwise they are breaking the law.

buzzer · Post by **buzzer** » 20 Sep 2007, 20:38

It's crunch time guys and gals. Workers against the suits. You know what i find so distasteful. It's not the low wages. Nor even the pension proposals. (bad as they are) Even the flexibility, i could probably live with it. It's just that i don't like the people running the firm. I have no respect for them. One of those people said that he listens to the workforce. Rubbish! If i respect somebody, i'll bend over backwards for them. I wouldn't follow these people down the bottom of the garden!
Anyway, that's my reason for going on strike. I'm sure other people may have different reasons.

Bill · Post by **Bill** » 20 Sep 2007, 20:50

I know the strikes are down as 48 hour strikes, but would like to know what time they start at. This has been a problem so far as staff who are in work when a strike begins have been advised by the union to finish their shift. Previous strikes started at 3am or 7pm. This obviously affects workers on various different shift patterns. Anyone know the answer?

ROYALMAILCHAT

FULL UPDATE FROM CWU HQ - DATES NAMED

Suggestion for you, digitalangel ...