Never forget..........

Post by **rhino49** » 19 Sep 2007, 15:23

.............the final say rests with us.

No matter what is proposed or counter proposed or disguised or openly thrown at us - we, the membership of the union, who form the MAJORITY of the experienced employees of Royal Mail will have the final say.

It matters not one iota what deal is discussed or brokered behind closed doors - our union cannot accept it on our behalf without our agreement. They have faithfully tried to do their best for us and I believe will come up with suggestions that are more acceptable than those currently attributed to the Royal Mail negotiators (I use the term loosely and without any respect for they are bullying rather than negotiating).

If, as suggested in another thread. the counter proposal reduces the present ones to the level of where we started then we have gained nothing and lost much and must sadly admit that our side has been out thought and must rely on more than the moral high ground to accomplish a satisfactory settlement.

There has never been a time when our voice has been more important - to all those people who do not vote I would say that you have a responsibility not only to your colleagues in the CWU but to your families and other public sector workers throughout this country to stop us becoming an underclass in terms of pay, employment security and job satisfaction.

If you believe that a deal we are offered is fair then vote for it with my blessing - but read everything - talk to your colleagues and look at the implications for the future of anything that we are offered - all that glitters is not gold.

Many of us are long time employees, believe in the business we work for and are justly proud of our heritage and history of service to our public. Compare this with those who would make dramatic and thoughtless changes in the name of efficiency that reduces and endangers that service. The lost post offices, collections and customer relationships that are swept away will not be replaced by TNT, UK Mail or any other vulture that is watching because there is no easy money in it for them. And the people who are proposing these changes are transient, unlike us they will pickup their payoffs and leave the devastation they have wrought for some other business game that takes their fancy.

Remember - YOU HAVE THE FINAL SAY WHATEVER WE ARE OFFERED

Post by **stephen500** » 19 Sep 2007, 15:29

A thoughtfull and excellent posting, but i can't help but remember that years ago a 20 mins break was sold in our office for Â£300.
Unfortunaltly in my opinion most will vote without reading the document or caring about the long term implications.
I hope this time we give carefull consideration to any agreement and not just think about losing a few days strike pay!
Losing even Â£500 would be worth it, when compared to loss of pensions,overtime and allowances. Think long term.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 19 Sep 2007, 15:33

That, my friend, is the truth of it.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 19 Sep 2007, 15:43

'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

strangler · Post by **strangler** » 19 Sep 2007, 16:45

stephen500 wrote:A thoughtfull and excellent posting, but i can't help but remember that years ago a 20 mins break was sold in our office for Â£300.
Unfortunaltly in my opinion most will vote without reading the document or caring about the long term implications.
I hope this time we give carefull consideration to any agreement and not just think about losing a few days strike pay!
Losing even Â£500 would be worth it, when compared to loss of pensions,overtime and allowances. Think long term.

I for one will be paying very close attention to the unions proposals on the pensions as no-one seems to know exactly what their plans are on this....

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Sep 2007, 16:47

After the way they have handled the aftermath of the period of calm I am going to check every full stop and comma of every part of the proposed deal before I vote on it.

jacee · Post by **jacee** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:02

it is up to us at the end of the day because we will be the most affected you are right on rhino

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:12

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

I like that, mate.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:24

DirtyHarry wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:'Rise like Lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number -
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you -
Ye are many - they are few.'

I like that, mate.

That's Shelley mate. He was one of my dad's favourites.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:38

Then your Dad was a man of great taste, IWW.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:46

Shelley was an educated man who unlike most of his ilk of the day was in favour of the working man and read many of the radical authors of his time.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 19 Sep 2007, 21:55

DirtyHarry wrote:Then your Dad was a man of great taste, IWW.

For a railwayman, he was a well read bloke. I've still got a lot of his books, Burns, Tennyson, Scott, The Ilyad, The Odyssey, Gogol, Gorky, Dostoevsky, Bunyan, CH Spurgeon, JC Ryle, Walt Whitman. A good union man too.

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 19 Sep 2007, 22:14

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
For a railwayman, he was a well read bloke. I've still got a lot of his books, Burns, Tennyson, Scott, The Ilyad, The Odyssey, Gogol, Gorky, Dostoevsky, Bunyan, CH Spurgeon, JC Ryle, Walt Whitman. A good union man too.

Your Dad was a living definition of that phrase, a gentleman and a scholar, IWW.

I can say that without having had the privelige to know him, because I too once knew a man like him.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 19 Sep 2007, 22:16

DirtyHarry wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
For a railwayman, he was a well read bloke. I've still got a lot of his books, Burns, Tennyson, Scott, The Ilyad, The Odyssey, Gogol, Gorky, Dostoevsky, Bunyan, CH Spurgeon, JC Ryle, Walt Whitman. A good union man too.
Your Dad was a living definition of that phrase, a gentleman and a scholar, IWW.

I can say that without having had the privelige to know him, because I too once knew a man like him.

People like that could buy and sell the dense planks who become 'managers' in Royal Mail mate either in intelligence or integrity.

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 19 Sep 2007, 22:22

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
For a railwayman, he was a well read bloke. I've still got a lot of his books, Burns, Tennyson, Scott, The Ilyad, The Odyssey, Gogol, Gorky, Dostoevsky, Bunyan, CH Spurgeon, JC Ryle, Walt Whitman. A good union man too.
Your Dad was a living definition of that phrase, a gentleman and a scholar, IWW.

I can say that without having had the privelige to know him, because I too once knew a man like him.
People like that could buy and sell the dense planks who become 'managers' in Royal Mail mate either in intelligence or integrity.

VERY VERY TRUE MATE.

ROYALMAILCHAT

Never forget..........

Never forget..........

rhino, mate.......................

right on rhino

IWW