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OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

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fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

P13 wrote:You have hit the nail on the head DVB managers in most offices including mine appear to be encouraging non use of delivery methods in my office
There has been silence from HQ and in particular Dave Joyce over the non-use of delivery methods from day one.
Considering it was sold as the main H&S plus point of the change of working practices and has a major effect on delivery spans and therefore protecting jobs i find the whole thing puzzling.
We have management nailed down over this,they agreed it was mandatory but now members and HQ seem to be conspiring to undermine the whole thing.
We've just been issued with a new Do your job properly poster.
It states...
Never before has it been more important to work safely.
Remember: Don’t cut corners: it’s your job, it’s your future – protect it now.
Bob Gibson
cwu assistant secretary

✱ Don’t come in early
✱ take your meal breaks
✱ Don’t use your private car on Delivery


It doesn't even mention delivery methods....why not? :shock:
Is it because the trolleys are unpopular with the membership?
Or is it because they are unpopular with RM management now that they have realised that they cost much more hours than they thought?
Either way it's a bit strange...the silence. :hmmmm
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Post by clashcityrocker »

fishtank wrote: We've just been issued with a new Do your job properly poster.
It states...
Never before has it been more important to work safely.
Remember: Don’t cut corners: it’s your job, it’s your future – protect it now.
Bob Gibson
cwu assistant secretary

✱ Don’t come in early
✱ take your meal breaks
✱ Don’t use your private car on Delivery


It doesn't even mention delivery methods....why not? :shock:
Is it because the trolleys are unpopular with the membership?
Or is it because they are unpopular with RM management now that they have realised that they cost much more hours than they thought?
Either way it's a bit strange...the silence. :hmmmm
I think it is simply an updated version of the campaign that has been ongoing but falling on deaf ears for decades.
Not updated enough though.
It should include use of mandatory equipment but with a lot of units still to have a Delivery Methods Revision it might have been information overload for the intended target.
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Post by dvbuk55 »

The mandatory equipment is exactly that though clash - managers should ensure that the equipment, which cost a not inconsiderable amount, is used and not languishing in the corner of the office.
Budfrog
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Post by Budfrog »

dvbuk55 wrote:The mandatory equipment is exactly that though clash - managers should ensure that the equipment, which cost a not inconsiderable amount, is used and not languishing in the corner of the office.
Like the Tray Trolleys that collection drivers are supposed to use when picking up more than one tray (or delivering more than two empties). SSOW stipulates it but the Drivers ignore it and the Hub Managers are aware that most Drivers do not even bother to book the equipment out. So who is culpable when someone hurts their back... well the Collection Driver for sure (any claim for an injury at work null and void) and the Hun Manager also for allowing it.

Health and Safety IS IMPORTANT and to wilfully ignore SSOW is not only foolish it is indefensible.
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Post by dvbuk55 »

Budfrog wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:The mandatory equipment is exactly that though clash - managers should ensure that the equipment, which cost a not inconsiderable amount, is used and not languishing in the corner of the office.
Like the Tray Trolleys that collection drivers are supposed to use when picking up more than one tray (or delivering more than two empties). SSOW stipulates it but the Drivers ignore it and the Hub Managers are aware that most Drivers do not even bother to book the equipment out. So who is culpable when someone hurts their back... well the Collection Driver for sure (any claim for an injury at work null and void) and the Hun Manager also for allowing it.

Health and Safety IS IMPORTANT and to wilfully ignore SSOW is not only foolish it is indefensible.
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music4essex
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Post by music4essex »

I have been using a LWT in my office since last july(we have not had our new revision yet,
BUT because it takes longer then the cycle I have been told to use the cycle for 3/4 of my delivery instead of LWT :roll: :roll: because then I am not walking too much :hmmmm (been told by Atos only to do 3hr delivery)
Using LWT it takes me longer.

So now I am in a situation where if I go over my time and I cut off, have been told by management I will be IHR :cry :cry

Or if I say I may not be able to complete before I go out on delivery, then I am not up to RM standards and will be IHR :nervous :nervous

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hampshireman
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Post by hampshireman »

bigcol wrote:
bigdeal wrote:Our office is failing terribly,even though we are working our asses off to try to complete on time,many off us just have to cut off.
Our regional :evil/mad manager gave a speech on Friday that from Tuesday we will not be permitted to cut off,but instead would have to negotiate some of our parcels or packets taken off if we cant complete, otherwise he would make our start and delivery times start later that would especially effect those who have child care issues
If you're not doing your packets you are cutting off. :d'oh!
Bloody hell. Has noone got this. How can any manager ... area /regional etc etc... make a statement like this!!!! threats to child care issues!!!

Effing bullies
fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

hampshireman wrote:
Bloody hell. Has noone got this. How can any manager ... area /regional etc etc... make a statement like this!!!! threats to child care issues!!!

Effing bullies
It is a shocking post and i was surprised that it was ignored.
I suppose it's pretty difficult to spin such blatant grade 1 bullying at regional level into the member's fault but i'm sure someone will be along to give it a go shortly.
New relationship/seat on the board and all that. :wink:
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Post by Martin Walsh »

It's not acceptable at all for a regional manager to do this and it's needs to be combated by the reps involved including passing it up to divisional level and national level.

I know if it happened in the area I reprsent we would tackle the regional manager and stop this in any way we can.

Any revisons problems should be resolved jointly under the PIR not at the whim of a manager be that area or regional.
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Post by Stormproof »

Stormproof wrote:Is your office failing with the new revision? PM me the office and Postcode (as most cities have more than 1 office)for anonymity and I'll put it on the list. Lets see how many are failing and have'nt hit the headlines yet. I don't want to put in the reports from the press just yet, rather it was from the horses mouth :cool

If your office is in the list and is not failing anymore then please let us know.

1. BARNSLEY DO
2. STRATFORD UPON AVON DO
3. DUNDEE EAST DO
4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working
5. LIVINGSTON DO
6. LEEDS LS1/LS2 DO
7. TROON DO
8. BEITH DO
9. DALRY DO
10. KILWINNING DO
11. NORTH WEST DO M27/M28/M38
12. CREWE DO
13. GARSTANG DO PR3
14. SHEEPSCAR DO LS6/LS7
15. DENTON DO M34
16. ADDLESTONE DO KT15
17. BRAMLEY DO LS13
18. RAYLEIGH DO SS
19. WARWICK DO
20. DEWSBURY DO
21. BELFAST DO Tomb St BT7
22. PETERLEE DO
23. SUNDERLAND DO
24. GATESHEAD DO
25. DINNINGTON DO Sheffield
26. CARLISLE DO CA1
27. MORECAMBE DO
28. HERNE BAY DO CT6
29. CALDERWAY DO WF13/14
30. FAVERSHAM DO
31. MAIDSTONE DO ME14/15/16
32. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE(WEST) DO
33. STROUD DO GL6 Working 95+% of the time
34. DARWEN DO BB3
35. LEIGH DO
36. RUNCORN DO
37. ST HELENS DO
38. HYTHE DO CT21
39. WIGAN DO
40. MILTON KEYNES MK1-16
41. BOGNOR REGIS LDO PO21
42. EDGWARE DO (HA)
43. PINNER DO (HA) Part Revision- Failed
44. SALISBURY DO
45. ANDOVER DO
46. EASTLEIGH DO
47. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE DO
48. CHESTERFIELD DO S40 1AA
49. BLACKPOOL DO
50. ROCHDALE DO OL16
51. ABERDEEN ALTENS
52. HOYLAKE DO CH47
53. NEWTONABBEY DO BT36
54. POLEGATE BN26
55. EASTBOURNE BN21
56. CHRISTCHURCH DO BH23
57. CAMBRIDGE DOCB4
58. BOOTLE DO l21-23
59. ROTHERHAM DO
60. NEWHAVEN DO BN9
61. WESTHAM DO BN23
62. SANDWICH CT13
63. PRESTON SOUTH DO
64. TWICKENHAM DO TW1 & TW2
65. GRIMSBY DO
66. HALFWAY DO
67. BOURNEMOUTH DO BH1-3 & BH5-8
68. OLNEY DO MK46
69. LANCASTER DO LA1
70. WAKEFIELD DO
71. ILKESTON DO
72. DUDLEY DO DY1/DY2/DY3
73. DELL DO EDINBURGH
74. BEXHILL DO
75. REDCAR DO TS10
76. NEW FERRY DO CH62
77. PRENTO DO CH43
78. SOLIHULL DO
79. KENILWORTH DO
80. PORTSMOUTH DO
81. BENFLEET DO SS7
82. BURY DO BL0
83. WEST PARK DO PLYMOUTH PL5
84. SWANSCOMBE DO DA10
85. NEWRY DO NI
86. ST AUSTELL PL25
87. ELLESMERE PORT CH65 & 66
88. STAFFORD DO ST16/17/18/19/20/21
89. BASILDON DO SS14
90. BRIGHTON DO
91. BANBURY DO
92. INVERCLYDE DO PA14-19
93. COSHAM PO6
94. ORPINGTON DO BR6
95. WALLASEY DO CH44/45
97. ASHFORD
98. TAUNTON DO TA2 TA3/4
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets


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Hitcher
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Post by Hitcher »

dvbuk55 wrote:The mandatory equipment is exactly that though clash - managers should ensure that the equipment, which cost a not inconsiderable amount, is used and not languishing in the corner of the office.
They're carrying out 'safety checks' on us out on delivery at the moment and not once has anyone been pulled up for not using the trolley. Apparently it's not on their list.
eastie
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Post by eastie »

Trolleys are provided to cover RM's arse so they dont get done for compensation claims.
If you do your back in they will say that we provide you with trolleys for Health and Safety but you chose not to use them.
Budfrog
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Post by Budfrog »

eastie wrote:Trolleys are provided to cover RM's arse so they dont get done for compensation claims.
If you do your back in they will say that we provide you with trolleys for Health and Safety but you chose not to use them.
Correct, as with the Tray Trolleys on collections.

So long as they provide the equipment, train you how to use it and provide documented SSOW you haven't really got a leg to stand on if you are hurt or injured.

I have attached a couple of forms issued in pads to managers which should be used to identify unsafe acts/conditions and near misses. There is no reason why anyone in RM shouldn't use these and send them back (via the local Safety Rep).
Near Miss Log.jpg[/attachment [attachment=0]Unsafe Act_Condition Log.jpg
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Stormproof
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Nearly up to the magic 100
Stormproof wrote:Is your office failing with the new revision? PM me the office and Postcode (as most cities have more than 1 office)for anonymity and I'll put it on the list. Lets see how many are failing and have'nt hit the headlines yet. I don't want to put in the reports from the press just yet, rather it was from the horses mouth :cool

If your office is in the list and is not failing anymore then please let us know.

1. BARNSLEY DO
2. STRATFORD UPON AVON DO
3. DUNDEE EAST DO
4. BARROW-IN-FURNESS DO LA13-LA17 Working
5. LIVINGSTON DO
6. LEEDS LS1/LS2 DO
7. TROON DO
8. BEITH DO
9. DALRY DO
10. KILWINNING DO
11. NORTH WEST DO M27/M28/M38
12. CREWE DO
13. GARSTANG DO PR3
14. SHEEPSCAR DO LS6/LS7
15. DENTON DO M34
16. ADDLESTONE DO KT15
17. BRAMLEY DO LS13
18. RAYLEIGH DO SS
19. WARWICK DO
20. DEWSBURY DO
21. BELFAST DO Tomb St BT7
22. PETERLEE DO
23. SUNDERLAND DO
24. GATESHEAD DO
25. DINNINGTON DO Sheffield
26. CARLISLE DO CA1
27. MORECAMBE DO
28. HERNE BAY DO CT6
29. CALDERWAY DO WF13/14
30. FAVERSHAM DO
31. MAIDSTONE DO ME14/15/16
32. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE(WEST) DO
33. STROUD DO GL6 Working 95+% of the time
34. DARWEN DO BB3
35. LEIGH DO
36. RUNCORN DO
37. ST HELENS DO
38. HYTHE DO CT21
39. WIGAN DO
40. MILTON KEYNES MK1-16
41. BOGNOR REGIS LDO PO21
42. EDGWARE DO (HA)
43. PINNER DO (HA) Part Revision- Failed
44. SALISBURY DO
45. ANDOVER DO
46. EASTLEIGH DO
47. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE DO
48. CHESTERFIELD DO S40 1AA
49. BLACKPOOL DO
50. ROCHDALE DO OL16
51. ABERDEEN ALTENS
52. HOYLAKE DO CH47
53. NEWTONABBEY DO BT36
54. POLEGATE BN26
55. EASTBOURNE BN21
56. CHRISTCHURCH DO BH23
57. CAMBRIDGE DOCB4
58. BOOTLE DO l21-23
59. ROTHERHAM DO
60. NEWHAVEN DO BN9
61. WESTHAM DO BN23
62. SANDWICH CT13
63. PRESTON SOUTH DO
64. TWICKENHAM DO TW1 & TW2
65. GRIMSBY DO
66. HALFWAY DO
67. BOURNEMOUTH DO BH1-3 & BH5-8
68. OLNEY DO MK46
69. LANCASTER DO LA1
70. WAKEFIELD DO
71. ILKESTON DO
72. DUDLEY DO DY1/DY2/DY3
73. DELL DO EDINBURGH
74. BEXHILL DO
75. REDCAR DO TS10
76. NEW FERRY DO CH62
77. PRENTO DO CH43
78. SOLIHULL DO
79. KENILWORTH DO
80. PORTSMOUTH DO
81. BENFLEET DO SS7
82. BURY DO BL0
83. WEST PARK DO PLYMOUTH PL5
84. SWANSCOMBE DO DA10
85. NEWRY DO NI
86. ST AUSTELL PL25
87. ELLESMERE PORT CH65 & 66
88. STAFFORD DO ST16/17/18/19/20/21
89. BASILDON DO SS14
90. BRIGHTON DO
91. BANBURY DO
92. INVERCLYDE DO PA14-19
93. COSHAM PO6
94. ORPINGTON DO BR6
95. WALLASEY DO CH44/45
97. ASHFORD
98. TAUNTON DO TA2 TA3/4
99. BELPER DO
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
Just keep on walking down never ending streets


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bandit650
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Re: OFFICES WITH A FAILING REVISION:LIST

Post by bandit650 »

dingo wrote:It's not acceptable at all for a regional manager to do this and it's needs to be combated by the reps involved including passing it up to divisional level and national level.

I know if it happened in the area I reprsent we would tackle the regional manager and stop this in any way we can.

Any revisons problems should be resolved jointly under the PIR not at the whim of a manager be that area or regional.
Couldn't agree more,the only problem is they just move them on to another area to make it look like they are dealing with it!they are all living in fear of telling the truth,hey how many of the faceless or chinless wonders are going to say to Moya oh by the way we all think you have it wrong,they are to busy being toady to be honest,they want the money and nothing else!