161 cut off bags in brighton today

[pav]

in Brighton every park & and loop is cutting off and not just a bag or two 5 6 bags every day but they are taking out 20 bags the unchanged walks are getting done a few are still up for overtime but not as many as they thought with this flexing up crap the office is full of letters packets casuals and headless mangers we are a office with 200 plus duties 40 park and loop and handle over 200000 items a day

[fishtank]

in Brighton every park & and loop is cutting off and not just a bag or two 5 6 bags every day but they are taking out 20 bags the unchanged walks are getting done a few are still up for overtime but not as many as they thought with this flexing up crap the office is full of letters packets casuals and headless mangers we are a office with 200 plus duties 40 park and loop and handle over 200000 items a day

So why doesn't your rep agree with you?
Why did he stand up and say that it was Royal Mail who said the office was failing just because they couldn't get the savings they wanted.
If it's failing as bad as you say and i'm not making any judgements you need to have a serious word with your rep because that isn't the picture he's painting.

[chunk]

park and loop fails again !
We are discussing (with our rep) a work to rule in our office by simply doing the job properly, no shortcuts.
the biggest obstacle will be the planks who insist on starting early,they have no business starting 40 minutes before the manager does.
we may have to lock them out. until 15min before official start (its for their own good)

[P13]

park and loop fails again !
We are discussing (with our rep) a work to rule in our office by simply doing the job properly, no shortcuts.
the biggest obstacle will be the planks who insist on starting early,they have no business starting 40 minutes before the manager does.
we may have to lock them out. until 15min before official start (its for their own good)

I would be careful about work to rules they are usually seen as unofficial industrial action however doing your job properly is ok and everyone should be doing their job properly anyway

[wheresourmoney]

park and loop is doing well in Brighton 161 cut bags today i guess we are failing

Rav,i thought you might be interested to know that our office is just down the road from you and in our team brief this week we asked how well was your office doing, to which both our manager and rep both stood up and stated that it is a success,managers lying to us has become the norm , but what hope have we got when our own reps start to decieve us.

[chunk]

standing up for yourself will always draw management disapproval.
i dont think anyone is suggesting its all about refusing to do things.
sometimes its about insisting you do things you haven't been doing
taking your breaks (not working through them)! ,weighing your bags and trolleys,
doing your van checks. etc

a recent example:
i arrive back at the office 10 minutes before official finish.
manager says "could you go and absorb 20 houses of bland street.
no says i. ive got 10 bags here to check that they're empty/side pockets etc
a special to return the locker and a handful of no access etc to endorse and put back in the frame.

4 hour plus delivering just about enough time to have a glug at the water cooler and they are still trying to squeeze a bit.

[celerycelery]

What sort of delivery spans have you got in brighton? Are they too long and thats the reason for cut offs?

[BELIAL]

Nah the spans are fine, you just lose so much time tripping over all those phantom shares ,phantom pension resolutions , phantom seniority assurances , phantom AGM's iss a nightmare

[bunkerland]

as long as they honour the overtime but i sense trouble if they try to cap it .
our office cant function on a busy day without it.

They are happy for people to do overtime. In P & L it works perfectly for management. They get full hours out of everyone and only pay extra on heavy days as opposed to paying people to do nothing when they are finishing before time.


Why jump straight into thier hands? If you all cut off their master plan fails.... but what the hell fill your pockets if it makes you happy!

Totally agree,the problem with us posties is we have a tendency to try to make things work.

No matter how s**t the idea is that some fat arsed chair bound genius comes up with.......... we'll be there sorting too fast,tying up in a panic,missing our breaks out,rushing round,stepping walls and fences and not using trolleys properly in a manic effort to try to implement another deeply flawed plan successfully. Sometimes if you really knock your pan in you'll be able to fit some lapsing in too!

While we cream our pants at the thought of a few extra hours extended over the week,the aforementioned genius takes the plaudits and awards himself thousands in bonuses! Yes it's hard to say no sometimes,but if everyone said no together then managers might eventually learn that no really does mean NO!!

[paranoid-android]

I'm with Judgee on this.
When savings are made and reported up the chain they are always "core hour" savings.
Overtime budgets are pretty much expected and ignored in Royal Mail and have been as long as i can remember so an office that is clearing up it's own mess on overtime will go down as a success in management's eyes...and probably in the eyes of CWU HQ.
The members will,of course get used to filling their pockets and start living by those means and if the excess is being covered on overtime there is no reason to progress part-time to full-time.....then something like a new Dom with different ideas or even privatisation will come along and it will all get rather nasty.

This has happened in my office already, and we havn't had our revision yet. New D.I.M. won't pay overtime and crosses it off if a lino dare offer it. i had to stop working over my time and cut off, causing my dom to throw her toys out, i'm expecting to be follow everywhere now. just wish the rest of the office would see sence and cut off. but instead they bow down and come in early/run/cut corners to get done, just so the D.I.M. can declare a reduction in overtime

[ronpetetrevchris]

I'm with Judgee on this.
When savings are made and reported up the chain they are always "core hour" savings.
Overtime budgets are pretty much expected and ignored in Royal Mail and have been as long as i can remember so an office that is clearing up it's own mess on overtime will go down as a success in management's eyes...and probably in the eyes of CWU HQ.
The members will,of course get used to filling their pockets and start living by those means and if the excess is being covered on overtime there is no reason to progress part-time to full-time.....then something like a new Dom with different ideas or even privatisation will come along and it will all get rather nasty.

I disagree, iv been in on conference calls when the DSM has been yelling to those lino's and DOM's below when the budget targets get destroyed by OT and i assure you it bothers them. For me, it goes down on paper and it gets logged and so its quite easy for me to prove the revision isnt working. There have been times when the members have said they dont want the OT and left 30 or so loops, but, a's USO failure will not be tollerated, and managers will be drafted in and told to stay out until it is done. While that situation is pleasing all that's happened is my members have lost money, and the managers have done it for nothing.

I will always try to keep my members pockets lined, i see it as part of my role.

I have never seen in the last 8 or years seen pt to ft outside of a revision.

[fishtank]

Your opinion and experience are as valid as anyone's.
It's a little different to mine but that's not unusual for Royal Mail.
As long as you and your members are happy ron.

[BELIAL]

Valid yep, but treat em mean and keep them keen .OT is cheap labour ;double time still works out cheap with no NI; no holidays ;no breaks ; its called the poverty trap and once you are in it there is no hope and no way out; and we like you just where we want you ,beggin for scraps, hungry ,and cutting your own throats, eat s**t suckers ,there is worse to come