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Re: Slave Labour?

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fishtank wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:Ministers have dropped the threat of sanctions for unemployed youngsters on a controversial work experience scheme.

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They can't have...there were no sanctions.
Dave said that Royal Mail said so it must be true.
So if Mark Higson said the moon was made of green cheese......................no please tell me he wouldn't, but if Dave did believe it that would mean all the clingons would too. Course we know it isn't true..............I mean it isn't is it? :cuppa
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LTB 153/12 Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

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Letter to Branches




No: 153/12
Ref: 24005
2nd March 2012

TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS



Dear Colleague

Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

Earlier this week a Joint Statement was finalised with Royal Mail in line with the principles contained in LTB 133/12. This will be placed before the Postal Executive for endorsement next week.

We can also advise that the Scheme is not due to commence until 13th March 2012.

Further information will be sent out in due course.

Any enquiries on this LTB should be addressed to the DGS (P) Department.

Yours sincerely


Dave Ward
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Re: Slave Labour?

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:thumbdown
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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Re: Slave Labour?

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fishtank wrote::thumbdown
When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn :whistle
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Re: Slave Labour?

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Hey I have a good idea why not lets make Job Seekers work for their money. Lets not pay them any extra for doing a fair days work, that'll teach them that staying at home and watching Jeremy Kyle is better than working for a living because you'll get the same money in the end.

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Re: Slave Labour?

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Mr Ward, hang your head in shame :thumbdown
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Re: Slave Labour?

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Hey I have a good idea why not lets make Job Seekers work for their money. Lets not pay them any extra for doing a fair days work, that'll teach them that staying at home and watching Jeremy Kyle is better than working for a living because you'll get the same money in the end.
TBH I think I'd rather work for nothing than watch Jeremy Kyle :cuppa
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Re: LTB 153/12 Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Letter to Branches




No: 153/12
Ref: 24005
2nd March 2012

TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS



Dear Colleague

Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

Earlier this week a Joint Statement was finalised with Royal Mail in line with the principles contained in LTB 133/12. This will be placed before the Postal Executive for endorsement next week.

We can also advise that the Scheme is not due to commence until 13th March 2012.

Further information will be sent out in due course.

Any enquiries on this LTB should be addressed to the DGS (P) Department.

Yours sincerely


Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)

No enquiries ,someone just nailed their colours to the mast. CWmanagement. What's our next step?
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Re: LTB 153/12 Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

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BELIAL wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Letter to Branches




No: 153/12
Ref: 24005
2nd March 2012

TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS



Dear Colleague

Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

Earlier this week a Joint Statement was finalised with Royal Mail in line with the principles contained in LTB 133/12. This will be placed before the Postal Executive for endorsement next week.

We can also advise that the Scheme is not due to commence until 13th March 2012.

Further information will be sent out in due course.

Any enquiries on this LTB should be addressed to the DGS (P) Department.

Yours sincerely


Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)

No enquiries ,someone just nailed their colours to the mast. CWmanagement. What's our next step?
Bonuses for the CWU Leadership for the magnificent negotiating skills :hmmmm I mean it can't be too far off..................if they could get it through conference they'd have done it long ago.
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Re: Slave Labour?

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You bloody cynical lot! Dave Ward gave a commitment to all postal membership in LTB 133/12 that unemployed workers would suffer NO sanctions (QUOTE” The national parties are now in the process of finalising a comprehensive statement that addresses all of the contentious issues being highlighted in the wider public debate. This includes being unequivocal in a Joint Statement that the voluntary nature of the scheme – is voluntary THROUGHOUT. This means that individuals must have the ability to choose to leave at ANY POINT during the Scheme, WITHOUT being PENALISED in ANYWAY by the Department of Work and Pensions.” In respect of slave labour schemes at Royal Mail there clearly are penalties to unemployed workers in the first week at least so both parties have agreed to drop the scheme. Royal Mail will say they wish to truly help the unemployed so will use the usual method of recruiting new members of the workforce and hand in hand with a successful twelve week trial period with full pay and not wages way less than the National Minimum Wage offer a contract as agreed with the CWU for the hours the job requires and in line with the MTSF agreement that Royal Mail ALWAYS adhere to. See how hard was that? You heard it here on RMC first as it does take the CWU time to get to the truth. LOL.
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Re: Slave Labour?

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Letter to Branches




No: 159/12
Ref: 24005
7th March 2012

TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS

Dear Colleague

Royal Mail Work Experience Programme

Further to LTB 153/12 the Union has finalised a comprehensive Joint Statement on the Royal Mail Work Experience Programme and this was unanimously endorsed at yesterday’s Postal Executive Meeting.

The approach the CWU has taken throughout has been about ensuring that any Work Experience Programme is entirely voluntary and underpinned by strong Trade Union principles and values.

A copy of the agreed Joint Statement is attached and the salient points are as follows:

This is a short-term 4 week Scheme limited to 80 candidates.

The Scheme is entirely voluntary throughout and if an individual chooses to leave at any stage they will not be penalised in any way.

We have secured the principle of an accompanying remuneration package.

Royal Mail has confirmed that this Scheme is not about free or cheap labour and the live work involved will not replace paid for jobs or existing earnings opportunities.
There is 2 weeks shadowing other employees and 2 weeks live work. Royal Mail has accepted that the content of the live work is a matter for agreement with CWU.

Work Experience placements will be restricted to either Mail Centres or Delivery Sites where a Workplace Coach exists and no Business Transformation Revision activity is taking place.

On completion of the 4 week programme, the candidates will have the opportunity of a job offer in line with agreed criteria that also protects existing fixed-term and temporary staff.

The CWU support is solely for the terms of this Scheme and any decision to extend it is subject to a full review and would necessitate further discussions between the National Parties.

A key issue in securing this Statement was the need to ensure that the Programme is entirely voluntary and that individuals could choose to leave at any stage without fear of losing their benefits. It has to be said that Royal Mail has supported the Union’s position on this key principle throughout. Moreover, our joint stance, alongside the wider public debate, has helped bring about the change in Government regulations that was announced last week.

As part of our discussions the Union secured the principle of a remuneration package and you will see that the CWU has noted that Royal Mail will set this at current Agency rates. Royal Mail’s position was set in the following context. Ultimately, this is only a 4 week Scheme, that provides a route to a job at the end of it and at this stage the company do not want to pay more than what they currently pay Agency workers. However, Royal Mail has agreed this will be subject to review. Both parties also recognise that we will need to explore further the impact of remuneration on individuals’ existing benefits. It is important that Work Experience candidates are in receipt of accurate information so that they can make decisions based on their personal circumstances.

In securing the overall Joint Statement you will see that the Union has also focused strongly on providing real safeguards for existing employees.

We can advise Branches that the Joint Statement has been fully endorsed and welcomed by the TUC who support the need for Trade Unions to engage employers on these matters. Furthermore, Royal Mail has confirmed separately in writing that this Work Experience Scheme does not replace the existing Apprenticeship Schemes. As a result, the company has invited the Union to a further discussion that can freshen up the Apprentice Scheme approach.

In conclusion, by directly engaging the employer, we now have a Work Experience Scheme that will set a benchmark for what a good employer and a responsible Trade Union should be doing to help young people improve their employment prospect.

As previously reported, the Scheme will commence on the 13th March 2012 and Royal Mail are in the process of advising us of the specific locations. In turn, we will be contacting the CWU Representatives who will become directly involved.

Any enquiries on this LTB should be addressed to the DGS (P) Department.





Yours sincerely


Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)
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Re: Slave Labour?

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Well it looks like DW had a vision on the way to Damascus, a slightly different approach now to the cavalier attitude to the workfare scheme originally put forward.
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Re: Slave Labour?

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Jobseekers who shunned voluntary scheme forced to do unpaid work

Mandatory work activity placements imposed on those who did not complete voluntary work experience, jobseekers claim

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guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 20 March 2012 12.01 GMT
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A DWP spokeswoman said: 'Jobcentre Plus advisers have the flexibility to use mandatory work activity, where they feel it is appropriate.' Photograph: David Sillitoe for the Guardian


Jobseekers have been made to do compulsory unpaid work for up to four weeks after refusing to take part in the voluntary work experience scheme.

The revelation, supported by documents released through the Freedom of Information Act, calls into question the concessions made to the voluntary programme last month, which removed a two-week benefit sanction imposed on those dropping out of that scheme, as refusal to complete a placement on the compulsory scheme can lead to jobseekers' benefits being stopped for three to six months.

Others have reported being placed on mandatory work schemes just weeks after signing on to claim unemployment benefits.

Major employers, such as Tesco, and the business lobby group CBI met ministers last month amid mounting pressure on the voluntary work experience programme, which allows for unemployed people aged 16-24 to work unpaid for up to four weeks while continuing to receive benefits.

Businesses had come under fire from campaigners as it was revealed those dropping out of the scheme after a week faced their benefits being stopped. This pressure led to the withdrawal of the sanction.

However, several jobseekers who identified themselves to the Guardian and provided some details of their situations, allege they have been sanctioned through other means for refusing to participate in the voluntary scheme. As all are still either claiming jobseekers' allowance or are on still on their compulsory work placements, they have asked not to be identified.

One said he had initially accepted a voluntary placement under the belief he would be paid for the duration. When he learned he would not, he contacted his adviser.

"I asked her if it was too late to pull out, to which she responded with 'no'," he said. "I then told her that I indeed wanted to pull out of the scheme, and that I believed that I should have been informed more about the scheme as they had not told me that the store in question wouldn't be paying me."

A few weeks later, around seven months after first claiming his benefit, the jobseeker was placed on the mandatory work activity (MWA) scheme for four weeks – an unpaid placement of up to usually for a charity or public sector organisation. Jobseekers unemployed for less than a year are eligible for the scheme, and refusing to take part or dropping out of the programme leads to benefits being withdrawn for between three and six months.

The jobseeker believes his placement on the mandatory programme was linked to his attitude towards his adviser.

"I also told her that I believed that these private store chains should be hiring people, and not getting them to work at no cost to them," he said. "In hindsight, this is probably what led to me being put on the mandatory work activity scheme."

Another recounted dropping out of the voluntary work experience scheme – "the type of jobs were terrible" – and being given a two-week benefit penalty, only to be faced with a mandatory placement at a meeting soon afterwards, with a six-month benefit stoppage for refusal.

Another jobseeker provided details showing he had been placed on a compulsory work scheme just one week after refusing a voluntary work experience placement. Several other jobseekers, refusing to give specific details, reported similar experiences through Twitter and the Guardian's online submissions system.

The MWA programme was designed by the government to allow some jobseekers to "move closer to the labour market" and learn or re-learn disciplines such as timeliness, working under supervision and other work-related disciplines.

The government projected only around 10,000 jobseekers each year would be placed on the scheme, but by November 2011 – the latest set of statistics – MWA had overtaken the voluntary scheme, with 8,100 compulsory placements in the most recent month compared with 6,600 voluntary placements.

Guidance given to Jobcentre staff on mandatory work and obtained through freedom of information requests says advisers may, at their discretion, use dropping out or refusing to participate in voluntary schemes as grounds for MWA.

"A claimant 'dropping-out' of an employment measure prematurely may, or may not, indicate a lack of focus and discipline on their part," it states. "It is for advisory teams to consider the merits of MWA referral on a case-by-case basis."

The chancellor, George Osborne, had signalled in his autumn statement that young people who rejected the package of assistance on offer from the government could face mandatory work.

"Our new youth contract addresses both problems with the offer of private sector work experience for every young person unemployed for three months. After five months, there will be weekly signing on. After nine months, we will help pay for a job or an apprenticeship in a private business," he told the Commons.

"Some 200,000 people will be helped in this way but, as the deputy prime minister has said, this is a contract. Young people who do not engage with this offer will be considered for mandatory work activity, and those who drop out without good reason will lose their benefits."

Guidance states MWA should typically be used for jobseekers who have claimed benefits for longer than three months, but one individual said he was put on a placement just a fortnight after re-signing on to jobseekers' allowance (JSA) after finding a temporary job, and having claimed for less than six months in total.

"I am shocked that this is legal and am actually quite upset by the situation," he said. "But until I find work I have no choice but to participate in the scheme, as I couldn't live without JSA for 13 weeks."

A spokeswoman for the Department for Work and Pensions strongly rejected that mandatory placements would be used as a sanction, but said they could be offered in circumstances where advisers felt they were appropriate. In a statement, it was stressed that such referrals were not automatic.

"It is not the case that claimants who do not volunteer for work experience would automatically be referred to mandatory work activity," it said. "Jobcentre Plus advisers have the flexibility to use mandatory work activity, where they feel it is appropriate, as part of a wider range of support options. The decision to refer a claimant to mandatory work activity is taken on a case-by-case basis and claimants are only referred to the scheme where it is appropriate in their individual circumstances."

Speaking with regard to individuals being placed on mandatory programmes after just a few weeks of unemployment, the spokeswoman said: "We have said that we expect most referrals to mandatory work activity will be for claimants who have been unemployed for 13 weeks or more. However, we have not ruled out the possibility that some claimants may be referred before this point where Jobcentre Plus advisers consider this to be appropriate in their individual case."

With regard to the chancellor's comments, the DWP said: "We are currently considering the details of how mandatory work activity can best support the youth contract in helping young people to move into work."

• This article was amended on Tuesday 20 March 2012. The DWP made clear that mandatory work placement schemes last four weeks rather than eight. This has been corrected.
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No to Workfare at Royal Mail, April 2nd, 11am
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In January Boycott Workfare reported that the communication worker’s union, the CWU, had signed an agreement with the Royal Mail to facilitate workfare in the Royal Mail. This has rightly provoked outcry amongst postal workers, unemployed people and the public, leading to another statement claiming that the scheme will be voluntary. However the government scheme referred to is still subject to sanctions and the CWU have offered no evidence that sanctions will not be applied. As the Guardian has reported, people turning down the “Work Experience” scheme are being forced onto the Mandatory Work Activity scheme. Boycott Workfare and CWU members have issued this open letter, calling for a picket of the union offices on 2nd April. All are welcome.

Open Letter to all members of the Communication Workers Union, (CWU)

We are writing this Open Letter because recent efforts both by Boycott Workfare and CWU members to gain written guarantees that the Work Experience scheme agreed between Royal Mail (RM) and the Communication Workers Union leadership  genuinely ensures the scheme is voluntary have failed.  Both Boycott Workfare and ordinary CWU members  have received little response from the CWU leadership other than to say they have had NO confirmation from the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP).  And in fact the  CWU leaders have not even spoken to the DWP about any of the issues concerning the Royal Mail work experience programme and any sanctions that can be imposed against unemployed workers on this scheme as they have only spoken to Royal Mail and NOT to the DWP.


We are aware that the joint RM/CWU statement stresses the “voluntary” nature of the scheme. But this is at best a drastic misunderstanding and at worst a deliberate misleading of the CWU membership, as they have made statements they cannot back up with basic facts.

Ministers have stated “the sanctions regime remains in place” and made it very clear that anybody turning down, or withdrawing from, a so-called “voluntary” work experience scheme will be transferred to Mandatory Work Activity.

How voluntary is a scheme where the interviewer tells you you can “volunteer for this or we will force you on to something else”? Or “You’re free to leave this placement but we will force you on something else”? In what sense is the scheme not still subject to sanctions?

The only possible proof the scheme is genuinely voluntary would be if the CWU and/or Royal Mail produced a written guarantee from the DWP that people leaving the RM/CWU scheme early will not be transferred to (compulsory) Mandatory Work Experience and or workers will not face ANY sanctions at ANY TIME throughout the period of the work experience scheme.

Unless this guarantee is provided this scheme cannot be considered voluntary,  it should be a simple matter for such a guarantee to be produced if our  leadership had bothered to talk to the DWP but of course they have not.

That  the CWU leadership have not spoken spoken to the DWP can only  lead  both public and the CWU membership to the inevitable conclusion that such a guarantee does not exist and the membership have been misled by CWU HQ.

Needless to say, if the CWU leadership continue to promote this scheme with Royal Mail without this guarantee, it is essentially supporting Royal Mail acquire a new unpaid group of workers who could be forced to cross picket lines on threat of benefit sanctions added to all the other problems these schemes would seem to have.

We feel strongly that the CWU leadership should not be supporting the Conservative led Government with yet another attack on workers’ rights and should not be giving a fresh lease of life to any work experience schemes but rather should be supporting workers get real jobs.

The scheme in question, Work Experience, has been the subject of a high profile campaign in recent weeks. The campaign is supported by PCS, and other trade unions and the Citizen Advice Bureau (CAB) continues to list “work experience” as compulsory.

We are therefore inviting all opposed to compulsory work programmes to join our picket at CWU HQ at 150 The Broadway, Wimbledon, London, SW19 1RX on April 2 at 1100 to demand “No Workfare at Royal Mail”. We also call on all CWU members to put in and support emergency resolutions to National Conference at Bournemouth from the 22/04/2012 – 26/04/2012 demanding an end to our CWU leadership supporting the conservative led Government and its  work experience schemes and instead getting real jobs with real pay for our unemployed workers.

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Re: Slave Labour?

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You know the old saying - "Lie down with dogs and get fleas" or in this case if you agree to anything the employer puts forward the line can never be drawn and it is a spiral to disaster. Does anyone seriously believe that this leadership has the rights of the membership as its priority. I don't believe there is a single member believes that this workfare scheme agreement is right and even staunch supporters of the union have not published their support for it in the forum .......................having said that they haven't criticised it either..............making that one wide fence top.