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A suspicious package sent to Celtic manager Neil Lennon had not gone through the proper postal procedures, a court has heard.
The brown padded envelope, addressed to Lennon at the club's training ground in Lennoxtown, East Dunbartonshire, had not been franked and the postage on it was "underpaid", the High Court in Glasgow was told.
Jurors heard that the package was intercepted at the Royal Mail sorting office in Kirkintilloch, East Dunbartonshire, on March 26 2011 after a postman spotted a nail protruding from it.
Kim Riddoch, depot manager at the office, said she took it outside to the "furthest away point" from the building and contacted police.
She was giving evidence at the trial of Trevor Muirhead, 43, and Neil McKenzie, 42, who are accused of plotting to murder Lennon and high profile Celtic supporters by sending improvised explosive devices to them.
Ms Riddoch, 44, said she noticed the A5 package, which only had one first class stamp on it, was too heavy to reach its destination as it had been underpaid.
She told the court that the underpayment should have been detected by staff at the mail centre in Glasgow, where every item of mail in the west of Scotland is dealt with before being sent to local sorting offices for delivery. She also said the franking process, which marks the date on a package, should have been done at the Glasgow centre.
Donald Findlay QC, representing McKenzie, asked Ms Riddoch: "So it is possible, I suppose, that this package entered the mail system at a later stage than say, being put through a post box or paid for at a post office?"
She replied: "That is not impossible."
Muirhead, from Kilwinning, Ayrshire, and McKenzie, from Saltcoats, Ayrshire, deny all of the charges against them.
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My own reason for posting this one and not the other myriad of stories is this one at least has some interest value in the fact that it was reported as underpaid, although the bit about Mail Centre staff should have spotted it seems strange as it never got that far the Collection driver reported it to his manager.
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
I think that's more worrying, if it's possible that a postie put it into the systemDonald Findlay QC, representing McKenzie, asked Ms Riddoch: "So it is possible, I suppose, that this package entered the mail system at a later stage than say, being put through a post box or paid for at a post office?"
She replied: "That is not impossible."
Not that I think that happened, we all know that mail is rarely date stamped now because of cost issues.
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
Nothing new here. There was a well publicised murder trial, in London or Glasgow I think, in Victorian times when the Post Office was criticised because the postmark of a crucial letter was not clear enough to be read.DGP1 wrote:I think that's more worrying, if it's possible that a postie put it into the systemDonald Findlay QC, representing McKenzie, asked Ms Riddoch: "So it is possible, I suppose, that this package entered the mail system at a later stage than say, being put through a post box or paid for at a post office?"
She replied: "That is not impossible."![]()
Not that I think that happened, we all know that mail is rarely date stamped now because of cost issues.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Smith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Lounge Lizard wrote:Nothing new here. There was a well publicised murder trial, in London or Glasgow I think, in Victorian times when the Post Office was criticised because the postmark of a crucial letter was not clear enough to be read.DGP1 wrote:I think that's more worrying, if it's possible that a postie put it into the systemDonald Findlay QC, representing McKenzie, asked Ms Riddoch: "So it is possible, I suppose, that this package entered the mail system at a later stage than say, being put through a post box or paid for at a post office?"
She replied: "That is not impossible."![]()
Not that I think that happened, we all know that mail is rarely date stamped now because of cost issues.
One letter in particular depended on the correct interpretation of the date of the postmark but this was unfortunately illegible, and attracted some caustic comments from the judge; but it should be noted that the vast majority of these postmarks were quite clearly struck ( indeed the late George Mackenzie had many a fruitless hunt through (stamp) dealers boxes, looking for a badly struck Madeleine Smith (Glasgow) postmark to illustrate the point). In any case, it transpired that when the police searched L'Angelier's room, many of Madeleine's letters were found without their envelopes and were then hurriedly collected and stuck into whichever envelopes came to hand
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
That's the one. Well done.TrueBlueTerrier wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Smith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Lounge Lizard wrote:Nothing new here. There was a well publicised murder trial, in London or Glasgow I think, in Victorian times when the Post Office was criticised because the postmark of a crucial letter was not clear enough to be read.DGP1 wrote:I think that's more worrying, if it's possible that a postie put it into the systemDonald Findlay QC, representing McKenzie, asked Ms Riddoch: "So it is possible, I suppose, that this package entered the mail system at a later stage than say, being put through a post box or paid for at a post office?"
She replied: "That is not impossible."![]()
Not that I think that happened, we all know that mail is rarely date stamped now because of cost issues.
One letter in particular depended on the correct interpretation of the date of the postmark but this was unfortunately illegible, and attracted some caustic comments from the judge; but it should be noted that the vast majority of these postmarks were quite clearly struck ( indeed the late George Mackenzie had many a fruitless hunt through (stamp) dealers boxes, looking for a badly struck Madeleine Smith (Glasgow) postmark to illustrate the point). In any case, it transpired that when the police searched L'Angelier's room, many of Madeleine's letters were found without their envelopes and were then hurriedly collected and stuck into whichever envelopes came to hand
I had never realised though that "During one of their infrequent meetings alone, she lost her virginity to L'Angelier."
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
An update from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-17223374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The trial of two men accused of sending parcel bombs has heard how a postman drove around with a suspect package which smelt of petrol."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-17223374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The trial of two men accused of sending parcel bombs has heard how a postman drove around with a suspect package which smelt of petrol."
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
"Earlier, the trial heard how a postman drove around Kilwinning for 40 minutes on 15 April with the suspect package, which smelt of petrol.pinstripe wrote:An update from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-17223374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The trial of two men accused of sending parcel bombs has heard how a postman drove around with a suspect package which smelt of petrol."
Stewart Hume said he raised concerns, but was told by a supervisor to carry on with his duties before being told to stop."
"carry on with his duties" - not much of a duty of care, probably didn't even check that he'd stopped smoking.
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
Man up Stuart ffs,what is wrong with some of our lot? 
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Re: Package sent to Lennon 'underpaid'
So now we can all ignore the RM mantra "Report ANYTHING Suspicious".... why ? they dont want to know,they cant deny it after this incidentLounge Lizard wrote:"Earlier, the trial heard how a postman drove around Kilwinning for 40 minutes on 15 April with the suspect package, which smelt of petrol.pinstripe wrote:An update from the BBC
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-17223374" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The trial of two men accused of sending parcel bombs has heard how a postman drove around with a suspect package which smelt of petrol."
Stewart Hume said he raised concerns, but was told by a supervisor to carry on with his duties before being told to stop."![]()
"carry on with his duties" - not much of a duty of care, probably didn't even check that he'd stopped smoking.
Driver should have phoned office when he dicovered the item and told them he was'nt moving their van another inch until item was checked
out or removed.Health& Safety:Safe System of Work:Standard Operating Procedure,call it what you like ,they dont give a monkey's about it
as this"Incident"clearly proves.