the demise of seniority

[Lounge Lizard]

Have you considered learning to drive ?[/quote]


It wasn't a necessity when I first started and it certainly isn't an option now I have 2 young children.
Give me full time and I will.[/quote]
Having worked for royal mail for over seven years in a delivery office, the introduction of van sharing and a need for more drivers has been known for a similar time, yet you didn't learn, and now 2 young children prevent you from learning.

[fishtank]

Normal driving isn't recognised within Royal Mail as a skill...Professional Driving is a different story..

OPG Grade.
The vast majority of the jobs covered by this grade will use core skills and will be filled as agreed on length of service/seniority, with any specialist duties being identified and covered through the objective selection criteria outlined in the Way of Working agreement.


Driving isn't a skill and cannot be used to bypass seniority or prevent members from progressing to full-time.
...and why is everybody hassling him on why he hasn't learned to drive?
To be quite blunt...it's none of our business.

[DGP1]

Normal driving isn't recognised within Royal Mail as a skill...Professional Driving is a different story..

OPG Grade.
The vast majority of the jobs covered by this grade will use core skills and will be filled as agreed on length of service/seniority, with any specialist duties being identified and covered through the objective selection criteria outlined in the Way of Working agreement.


Driving isn't a skill and cannot be used to bypass seniority or prevent members from progressing to full-time.
...and why is everybody hassling him on why he hasn't learned to drive?
To be quite blunt...it's none of our business.

But these days they just do whatever they want (unless you're in London ).

[Himaggen]

I have not excluded myself from anything, I was not informed that my chances of becoming full time would be hindered by me not being able to drive.

You have excluded yourself from driving duties because you have not added the ability to drive to your skill set.

When you found out that all new staff were required to be able to drive and that cycles were being replaced by vans did you expect your Manager to have to tell you to expand your own skill set if you wanted to increase the number options available for your skills!

To be fair, (from your reply about young children), if you had been given some notice of the future intentions you'd still have been unable to take on that skill and your position would be as it is now.

Instead of arguing about things over which you have no control do as fishtank said and find out why duties which involve driving are being allocated Full Time. People are not actually going to be driving for eight hours a day, so the driving skill is not a full time task it's simply an easy way for disorganised Managers to resource.

[woofwoof]

as we are still using the way forward if you read this part

FILLING OF VACANCIES/JOBS

6. The key requirement is to ensure that all jobs are filled by individuals with the right skills for the job, and that this is done in a way that both takes account of personal preference, suitability and minimises disruption to the customer and employees.

“Seniority will be used to fill the majority of jobs, because the Business recognises the value of employees’ experience and length of service. Those jobs that require more specialist skills have been identified and are listed at Section 15. They will be filled using an objectively-based selection process. The necessary training will be given prior to appointment”.


van sharing is not a skilled job, so as the driving is a vacancy and is filled by having right skills for the job, so why should a non driver not pick it
because skilled jobs clearly say The necessary training will be given prior to appointment”. this should be free driving lessons

[fishtank]

These are not 5 specific driving duties up for resign.
This is an office during major change that has the opportunity to progress 5 members from part-time to full-time.
A full office resign should follow so it is not for management to decide who they would like full-time and who they wouldn't.
Seniority should apply,driving or non-driving is irrelevant.
Even if you were to apply suitability criteria a non-driver is least useful as a part-time reserve,that would be more likely to bump him/her up the seniority ladder rather than down so some people should be careful what they wish for

[hans solo]

rm used to pay you to learn and pass driving tests

[DGP1]

rm used to pay you to learn and pass driving tests

I learned to drive many years before starting in RM so why should someone get that benefit when others didn't

[Lounge Lizard]

rm used to pay you to learn and pass driving tests

I learned to drive many years before starting in RM so why should someone get that benefit when others didn't

Indeed, and there's others who learnt to drive in their own time at their own expense and who only drive for Royal Mail with not running a car on this pay.

[fmrPOSTIE]

OP cannot drive therefore cannot be considered for the role. Its pretty simple.

If you had a full DL then Royal Mail would pay for courses for the transit/7.5t but they're not going to shell out on driving lessons, why should they?

[fishtank]

OP cannot drive therefore cannot be considered for the role. Its pretty simple.

It isn't a role.
It's an increase in hours.
How could it be a specific role if they haven't had a repick yet?
Not that simple.

[woofwoof]

OP cannot drive therefore cannot be considered for the role. Its pretty simple.

It isn't a role.
It's an increase in hours.
How could it be a specific role if they haven't had a repick yet?
Not that simple.

if you need 2 in a van with 1 been a driver how can a non driver pick into that pairing if only driving duties exist andthe senior member can not drive for this unskilled job

[fishtank]

if you need 2 in a van with 1 been a driver how can a non driver pick into that pairing if only driving duties exist andthe senior member can not drive for this unskilled job

What does driving/non-driving have to do with contracted hours?
Why does the driver need to be full-time but the non-driver can't be?
Answers on a postcard to....

[woofwoof]

if you need 2 in a van with 1 been a driver how can a non driver pick into that pairing if only driving duties exist andthe senior member can not drive for this unskilled job

What does driving/non-driving have to do with contracted hours?
Why does the driver need to be full-time but the non-driver can't be?
Answers on a postcard to....

what if there both full time duties as it says they are not skilled jobs but as a pair

[fishtank]

what if there both full time duties as it says they are not skilled jobs but as a pair

You've lost me now woof.
Again what does hours have to do with driving?
Full-time driver/part-time driver...what's the difference?