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Scots steal an English letterbox - could this mean war?

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Scots steal an English letterbox - could this mean war?

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No, because they've handed it back. But it would have done in the days of the border reivers, says Alan Sykes, settling back in his inglenook to spin you an olde Cumbrian yarn. Have a nice weekend.

While David Cameron and Alex Salmond were in Edinburgh arguing about the possible breakup of the United Kingdom, a more practical illustration of the division between the kingdoms took place at Kershopefoot, on the border between Cumbria and Roxburghshire, where the Scots made off with an English letterbox. The incident took place when the Kershopefoot village postmaster retired, and his letterbox was removed to the Royal Mail depot across the border in Hawick.

Today's Cumberland News quotes local county councillor Val Tarbitt as saying:
The Hawick depot has got our letterbox. It has been captured by Scotland and we want it back. It's like something from the days of the Border Reivers.
Kershopefoot had a long and bloody history in the annals of cross-border conflict before the union of the crowns of England and Scotland in 1603. It was in the spring of 1596 that that one of the most notorious incident in reiving history took place, when William Armstrong of Kinmont was illegally taken prisoner.

It was the custom of the Wardens of the western Marches from England and Scotland to hold regular Truce Days at Kershopefoot and other places along the border, to exchange prisoners, hold trials and hear complaints. In theory every man present had immunity from arrest until the following morning's sunrise. However, somehow Armstrong was captured returning from the truce, and Lord Scrope, the Warden of the Western March, imprisoned him in Carlisle Castle.

William Armstrong, better known as Kinmont Willie, was one of the most notorious of the reivers, helping give the world the word "bereaved" – in one incident in 1584 he, along with "Nebless" Clem Croser and 300 riders raided the Middle March, killing 10 men, burning 60 houses and stealing 1300 cattle, 60 horses over £2000-worth of goods.

His capture, in flagrant violation of Border Law, enraged the Scots in general and the Scottish Warden of the Western March, Walter Scott of Buccleuch – "the Bold Buccleuch" - in particular. A later Walter Scott, in the Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border, has him raging
And have they e'en ta'en him, Kinmont Willie,
Against the truce of the border tide?
And forgotten that the bauld Buccleuch
Is keeper here on the Scottish side?
Buccleuch got together 80 men – including Kinmont Willie's four sons – and, with a little inside help, pulled off one of the most daring jail breaks in British history, lifting Kinmont Willie from one of the strongest castles in Europe and getting him back to Scotland without losing a single man, when, according to the ballad, Buccleuch
He turned him on the other side
And at Lord Scrope his glove flung he –
"If you like na my visit in merry England
In fair Scotland come visit me!"
With the pursuing Scrope standing powerless on the English side of the river, bemoaning that Buccleuch
He is either himsell a devil frae hell
Or else his mother a witch mun be
I wudna hae ridden that wun water
For a' the gowd in Christentie.
Fortunately the latest potential cross-border flashpoint at Kershopefoot has been calmed and is unlikely to be the subject of ballads remembered in 300 years time, as the Scottish postal authorities have agreed to restore their letterbox to the English, saving the locals a three mile trek up wild lovely Liddlesdale to Newcastleton to post their letters.
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"Nebless" Clem Croser
I wonder how he lot his Neb.
Was it a dog attack?
Must have been painful. :whistle
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"It was in the spring of 1596 that ........" - long memories some people ( mentioning no names ) :crazy:
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They can take our postboxes but they'll never take our FREEDOM :nervous
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Outrageous ! an illegal border crossing and they are not even independent yet, talk about jumping the gun !

where that key to the outrage bus, I want to get on it !


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british post box they mean
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bringon4dayweeks wrote:british post box they mean
No, English post boxes have 'EIIR' on them, her majesty being England's second Queen Elizabeth.
Scottish post boxes don't have 'EIIR' on them, her majesty being Scotland's first Queen Elizabeth.
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Lounge Lizard wrote:
bringon4dayweeks wrote:british post box they mean
No, English post boxes have 'EIIR' on them, her majesty being England's second Queen Elizabeth.
Scottish post boxes don't have 'EIIR' on them, her majesty being Scotland's first Queen Elizabeth.
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Also its the different crowns that help indicate which kingdom they should be in. The English Crown is more rounded whilst the Scottish is flatter, and the crosses at the apex are different shapes.
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Indeed as part of the Act of Union (1707), the Crown of Scotland also known collectively as the Honours of Scotland was to be retained, it was placed inside a trunk which was then bricked up inside the walls of Edinburgh castle until it was reopened in 1818 and displayed, as part of the Act of Union (1707) Scotland retains the Crown of Scotland as its emblem as well as its own education and legal system.

It would be a fairly cleanish break if independence does get voted in as most things are in place. :cuppa




In my Office we have as part of park and loop got vans from everywhere so what we have is Welsh Post Brenhinol, English Crown Royal Mail and Scottish Crown Royal Mail bipper vans, it has caused some amusements among my customers. The Scottish vans have no EIIR either. :left:
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NWpostie wrote:The Scottish vans have no EIIR either. :left:
Our uniforms bear the Scottish Crown as well. :neutral:
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fishtank wrote:
NWpostie wrote:The Scottish vans have no EIIR either. :left:
Our uniforms bear the Scottish Crown as well. :neutral:
And you're in an English Office ?
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