Sacked for 'Wilful' delay..

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

The main thing that appears to stand out about this sad case...

A new employee has been asked to deliver mail without sufficient training regarding delivery protocol.
Management (perhaps all the way up to DOM) are willfully breaking the Universal Service Obligation by giving a postie starting at 1300 a complete walk that they know will not be finished by 1500. Now are they officially recording this failure?

On the face of it, this should be an easy ET case in favour of the OP, which could potentially then lead to disciplinary action against the line manager, perhaps even DOM too if they were fully aware.

[easter bunny]

The main thing that appears to stand out about this sad case...

A new employee has been asked to deliver mail without sufficient training regarding delivery protocol.
Management (perhaps all the way up to DOM) are willfully breaking the Universal Service Obligation by giving a postie starting at 1300 a complete walk that they know will not be finished by 1500. Now are they officially recording this failure?

On the face of it, this should be an easy ET case in favour of the OP, which could potentially then lead to disciplinary action against the line manager, perhaps even DOM too if they were fully aware.

You cannot take a case to an ET unless you have been employed for at least 12 months .

[General Mannerheim]

The main thing that appears to stand out about this sad case...

A new employee has been asked to deliver mail without sufficient training regarding delivery protocol.
Management (perhaps all the way up to DOM) are willfully breaking the Universal Service Obligation by giving a postie starting at 1300 a complete walk that they know will not be finished by 1500. Now are they officially recording this failure?

On the face of it, this should be an easy ET case in favour of the OP, which could potentially then lead to disciplinary action against the line manager, perhaps even DOM too if they were fully aware.

You cannot take a case to an ET unless you have been employed for at least 12 months .

Soon to be two years.Tory c.unts.

[REDLETTER]

The main thing that appears to stand out about this sad case...

A new employee has been asked to deliver mail without sufficient training regarding delivery protocol.
Management (perhaps all the way up to DOM) are willfully breaking the Universal Service Obligation by giving a postie starting at 1300 a complete walk that they know will not be finished by 1500. Now are they officially recording this failure?

On the face of it, this should be an easy ET case in favour of the OP, which could potentially then lead to disciplinary action against the line manager, perhaps even DOM too if they were fully aware.

You cannot take a case to an ET unless you have been employed for at least 12 months .

Can a Grievence not be lodged with Royal Mail, even though OP no longer works for them?

[international]

I think you have a case here put in for an appeal and get a fair trial go above you DOM and get him in the sh#t too you have put in a lot more effort than some others would have done being in your situation

[Budfrog]

Not linked to this but 2 summers ago just after deliveries and collections were amalgamated an associate of mine (on collections) was instructed to deliver mail in NW London as they had a huge backlog of packets in the office. He was out until 10:30pm and finally, unable to complete, he phoned the DOM. As his base unit was locked he was 'instructed' to take the mail to a his closest mail centre which he did .... 9 miles each way !!!!

[REDLETTER]

Not linked to this but 2 summers ago just after deliveries and collections were amalgamated an associate of mine (on collections) was instructed to deliver mail in NW London as they had a huge backlog of packets in the office. He was out until 10:30pm and finally, unable to complete, he phoned the DOM. As his base unit was locked he was 'instructed' to take the mail to a his closest mail centre which he did .... 9 miles each way !!!!

Did the same when the DO was locked early on a Saturday................you know, when the last Posties leaves, the Dom is switching of the lights!!!!

[kawoxux]

Starting at 1pm! farcical

Glad I dont live in an area with a DO that has post coming out at 5pm as a matter of course... surely you just get sarky comments by customers all the way round? Its bad enough at 2pm

[beau1]

Thanks for the replies and the support everyone, I wasn't sure what sort of response I was going to get but it seems that I do have a case for unfair dismissal.

I didn't know anything about any sort of cut-off time after 4pm, I was a new temporary worker (had been on Indoor sorting from Late November until early January, then did a bit of posting here and there) and had never been briefed on any matters regarding when I should stop posting mail or what I should do with it when it is time to stop. It was very much 'here it is, go and do it until its done'. I did try and explain most of these factors when I had my meeting with the manager, however he gave no lee-way on the matter. When I told him straight that they would be going through temporary staff like wild-fire if they are going to act like this, he just smirked as if they already were and it didn't really matter. The same manager, on the same day as my 'wilful' delay was taking packages out of bags and putting them aside and saying 'they can wait until tomorrow, there is too much here', isn't this far more like 'wilful delay than my example??!

I'm thinking about writing a letter of complaint to the plant manager of the delivery office and leaving it at that. I am considering talking to a Union rep but again, because I was only a temporary working, I haven't got a clue who they are and whether or not they would be able to offer me advice.
I'm not really interested in getting my job back, but its more about the principle of the action and I'd hope that by me kicking up a bit of s**t that it will help out or stop other temporary workers being caught in the same sitation. Also, I'm looking to clear my name as its obviously not very good to be sacked, especially when it seems that I probably shouldn't have been!

[dubdaz]

Good luck mate,its a sad state of afairs that what happened to you is gonna be the norm for most new postman in the job
This situation has really been brought about by the unwillingness of the sad majority who tear the arse out of the job,and only think of themselves.
It will eventually effect them with an ever increasing workload until they break
Like you say, your well rid,hope a proper jobs just round the corner.

[krussel]

I still say it was not your fault due to the lack of training and the late time they sent you out.

The only way to clear your name is to get them to admit fault and reinstate you. You can always leave in your own good time when you have something else lined up.

Start here at the CWU website. I would suggest you email them and ask that if you join will they be able to advice and support you etc.

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[whitemoor66]

I still say it was not your fault due to the lack of training and the late time they sent you out.

The only way to clear your name is to get them to admit fault and reinstate you. You can always leave in your own good time when you have something else lined up.

Start here at the CWU website. I would suggest you email them and ask that if you join will they be able to advice and support you etc.

Link:

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Wouldn't bother with the CWU, they talk the talk etc but don't deliver and wouldn't support you even if you had a case. Nobody in the CWU gives a flying one about PT/Temp/Short Term Contract staff. Maybe your best bet might be to try and get a free half hour consultation with a brief that specialises in employment law. I'm clutching at straws but how was the job advertised to you? Do you have any training notes from your induction course that contradict the reality?

[parcelboy]

Contact Moya at justsayit@royalmail.com spill the beans and show the management crud up.

tried that no joy there it would appear they have a free hand to manipulate there own procedures and can even be judge jury and executioner as well as having
HR tipping them off forgot the bit about collusion they are free to chat amongst themselves its called impartiality and to crown it all award offending managers by just moving them to another office all post persons should be very aware corruption in RM starts just above you and goes right to the very top trust no one

[flaminmoses]

sorry to say this but because you havent been here a year rm know they can get away woth this unless the union take a stand.

there could be reasons why the union might not want to make a stand though.....which would leave you high and dry.

[NewPostieUK]

After being speechless at reading the opening post, I would strongly suggest that you take steps to clear your name, even if you don't want your job back.

My first reaction would be to go to the papers, they'd have a field day. However, I think your MP would be the best person to discuss this mind boggling shambles.
You might think 'why bother?', but wouldn't it feel great to get some revenge, as well as clear your name?

I'd do anything not to have such a black mark on my record, as to see that idiot manager sacked.