Revision vote tomorrow

[clashcityrocker]

This was the start of this particular debate though:

by weirdo » 26 Jan 2012, 15:50
I'm sorry if this has been raised before, but could someone tell me who has the right to vote, the whole office or just the union members? thanks

[dvbuk55]

I don't think anyone should have to work every Saturday if they don't want to. Ballot or no ballot.
I don't think union members should have a duty structure imposed on them by non union members.
Unless: that unit has taken a decision to include non-union members in that vote. And personally I would be sympathetic to that.
I have a problem with management giving non members a vote to try and engineer the duty pattern that they (management) want.

I agree with all of your points but i don't think in this case that's what happened.
The majority of non-members in dv's office are part-time so management including them in a vote would be counter productive.
I think what happened in dv's office was a lack of imagination in the duty make up and an intransigence on the part of management.

I would imagine we were one of the first offices to go live with the total revision package and so there wasn't any "guidelines" or "best practice" from other offices and so although there was involvement there was always in mind the spirit of the agreement in BT2010. There are of course many more revisions to take lessons from now and we were being pushed from both sides to "go live" before Christmas 2010. Well I have to say that in 20 odd years that is the worst I have ever seen a Christmas. Nothing worked and there has been and still is amendments and we are about to have instituted a second non-agreed revision or at least the new duties being displayed but without union involvement this time. A unit still has to operate with and without union members and in office with a 40/50% non membership it is a serious problem - as ft points out when does representation become ineffective. Branch are supposed to be responsible for membership but take no active role whatsoever. The CWU is in serious danger of being sidelined outside of large cities with MCs with a majority of members and that means RM will and actually IS taking the initiative in deliveries.

[Oxfordshirepostie]

Well have heard we have got another meeting tomorrow now, so I'm guessing it will be vote time.
Just glad I will be at work for this one, I'm just thinking about the money now so will be a yes vote from me, just will have to come in early when my round is bigger

[fishtank]

You really don't think anyone will bite at that do you?

[Oxfordshirepostie]

Well we are getting the lump sums so I'm kinda thinking that pays for me coming in early

[fishtank]

How long have you got until retirement and how big are the lump sums?

[Oxfordshirepostie]

Well about 15 years but be plenty more lump sums before then

[dvbuk55]

Well about 15 years but be plenty more lump sums before then

And of course not forgetting the colleague share money or replacement and loads more below inflation pay rises in the next 15 years all of course in the hope that you survive privatisation.

[fishtank]

Well about 15 years but be plenty more lump sums before then

Don't forget though with mail volumes declining year on year your round will get bigger and bigger so you will need to come in earlier and earlier.
Just save the hassle...bring a toothbrush and a sleeping bag.

[dvbuk55]

Well about 15 years but be plenty more lump sums before then

Don't forget though with mail volumes declining year on year your round will get bigger and bigger so you will need to come in earlier and earlier.
Just save the hassle...bring a toothbrush and a sleeping bag.

And a change of underwear forget that you won't have time - go commando.

[keithposty]

round getting bigger so i will just have to come in earlier (unpaid)

why do i even bother being a rep with one hand tied behind my back

[Stormproof]

round getting bigger so i will just have to come in earlier (unpaid)

why do i even bother being a rep with one hand tied behind my back

I know exactly what you mean. Though a couple of the managers at my place are starting to counsel people now for starting before their time. One member threatened to put in a complaint against me because every day for a week I asked him not to start before his time. Tried explaining to him but it went in one ear and out the other

[hershey7]

Hi we are having a meeting this wk re Revision and been told no vote needed is that right ?

Cheers

[POSTMAN]

Hi we are having a meeting this wk re Revision and been told no vote needed is that right ?

Cheers

It depends what the meeting's about,see here for some general info...
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