3.5% unlikely!

[Martin Walsh]

Wow doing a delivery don't scare me , perhaps you need to come into some high level talks cause just because you say something does not mean that Royal Mail suddenly put the brakes on.

Whether people really believe that the state issue is Royal Mail's number 1 priority or not I really am not that bothered. All I said is that Royal Mail will confirm next week that they will pay the 3.5% and they will then have the problem how they show that to the EU or don't anyone really believe they need state aid and it's another smokescreen.

Sometimes I do really think I should join most of the other people in the know and say nothing and leave you in the dark until CWU HQs decides to put out an LTB.

[DirtyHarry]

I have to say that all your cheap shots don't wash with me , I give you a bit of information which you all then jumped on and start to attack this is pathetic.

I let you all live in your fantasy world. The rest of us will have to deal with reality.

It's no "fantasy world" the CWU have landed us in Dingo, it's the nightmarish new world that Royal Mail Management craved, and that you and your craven colleagues helped shape, that's where most of the members you should be representing reside, mate.....and it's not something you or your mates in Wimbledon should be proud of, far from it, in fact.

[hubbahubba]

Wow doing a delivery don't scare me , perhaps you need to come into some high level talks cause just because you say something does not mean that Royal Mail suddenly put the brakes on.

Whether people really believe that the state issue is Royal Mail's number 1 priority or not I really am not that bothered. All I said is that Royal Mail will confirm next week that they will pay the 3.5% and they will then have the problem how they show that to the EU or don't anyone really believe they need state aid and it's another smokescreen.

Sometimes I do really think I should join most of the other people in the know and say nothing and leave you in the dark until CWU HQs decides to put out an LTB.

This thread has gone off on a bit on a tangent.My original point was that a notice had gone up on the UNION noticeboard,saying that RM were reviewing the 3.5% payrise.Our rep came out of the unionroom and said something along the lines of "looks like the 3.5% isn't going to be honoured".Now,Dingo you say you believe it WILL be 3.5%?I respect your opinion on such matters,as you are right more often than not(even if it is bad news).
Just bit confused as to why the MC rep is saying one thing,while you're saying the opposite?!?

[fishtank]

Dingo...the point is the 3.5% was already in the business plan for this year.
The EU is already aware of it,it isn't news to them.
It's not the obvious need for state aid that's a smokescreen it's R'M's constant use of it and the pension deficit before it and losing £1million a day before that...to downgrade our terms and conditions...and more importantly the union buying into these "frighteners".
That's what has the members scratching their heads....we hear it all the time from management,whether it's true or not...their reason for telling us is not to inform us but to make us grateful for crumbs.
We're just trying to work out whether the union's motives are the same.

[gb93]

Dingo...the point is the 3.5% was already in the business plan for this year.
The EU is already aware of it,it isn't news to them.
It's not the obvious need for state aid that's a smokescreen it's R'M's constant use of it and the pension deficit before it and losing £1million a day before that...to downgrade our terms and conditions...and more importantly the union buying into these "frighteners".
That's what has the members scratching their heads....we hear it all the time from management,whether it's true or not...their reason for telling us is not to inform us but to make us grateful for crumbs.
We're just trying to work out whether the union's motives are the same.

As usuall so eloquently put

[Ahebban]

RM knows that if it does not honour its commitment to the 3.5% (following on from the Colleague shares debacle) it won't matter what RM or CWU HQ says the rank and file members will, once again, find its voice and ensure that it is knocking at Billy's, Dave's and Bob's office doors demanding, not asking, for decisive action.

If this government is really so anti-European and RM are up sh*t's creek with no paddle then sod what the EU have to say. Personally, given the mess the rest of Europe is in RMs difficulties pale into insignifance. If RM is such an important part of the infrastructure of UK business and its people, loaning a few billion quid to ensure RM is in a position to deliver isn't going to put the UK into any deeper water with Europe than it already is, ffs!

[Fluke]

I cant help but wonder what stings have been attached to this pay deal. I really appreciate you input Dingo, but the way CWU HQ is treating its members is starting to wear a little thin.

[Cut Off King]

DINGO wrote :

Sometimes I do really think I should join most of the other people in the know and say nothing and leave you in the dark until CWU HQs decides to put out an LTB.

These "other people " who are in the know should do as you do and face the music on this site, you are a lighting conductor for peoples frustrations with the unions seemingly lack of interest in what the ordinary members think

These " other people " should do well to remember that ( in the words of an 80's song ) we put them where they are now, and can put them back down too.

don't, don't you want us, you know i can't believe when you say that you don't want us

The upper reaches of the CWU needs to realise that its the members on here that bitch from time to time, who get the other members who can't be bothered, to take an interest. If the CWU lose the likes of us, the the vast majority of the membership will just gradualey fade away, lose a few members here, a few member there, an before you know it NO SUBS, no subs = no union, no full time realease, no power, no influence, no more cake !

After all, theres only so much that you can push a person, before they tip over the edge.

Most people have respect for you on here because you fight your corner, we don't always agree, but we have respect.

BUT we don't have respect for those who make decisions about the members future working lives, but don't want face up to the concequences of what that means to ordinary members daily duty's

Every woman / man has his limits

We're all getting fed-up being told that this was a good deal, your friends ought to face up to the fact that, as far a the avarage RM employee is concerned, the BT2010 deal is BAD, and they need to see, that, in most members eyes, they got it wrong !

Time to change, or die away like the dinosaurs

[Fluke]

DINGO wrote :

Sometimes I do really think I should join most of the other people in the know and say nothing and leave you in the dark until CWU HQs decides to put out an LTB.

These "other people " who are in the know should do as you do and face the music on this site, you are a lighting conductor for peoples frustrations with the unions seemingly lack of interest in what the ordinary members think

These " other people " should do well to remember that ( in the words of an 80's song ) we put them where they are now, and can put them back down too.

don't, don't you want us, you know i can't believe when you say that you don't want us

The upper reaches of the CWU needs to realise that its the members on here that bitch from time to time, who get the other members who can't be bothered, to take an interest. If the CWU lose the likes of us, the the vast majority of the membership will just gradualey fade away, lose a few members here, a few member there, an before you know it NO SUBS, no subs = no union, no full time realease, no power, no influence, no more cake !

After all, theres only so much that you can push a person, before they tip over the edge.

Most people have respect for you on here because you fight your corner, we don't always agree, but we have respect.

BUT we don't have respect for those who make decisions about the members future working lives, but don't want face up to the concequences of what that means to ordinary members daily duty's

Every woman / man has his limits

We're all getting fed-up being told that this was a good deal, your friends ought to face up to the fact that, as far a the avarage RM employee is concerned, the BT2010 deal is BAD, and they need to see, that, in most members eyes, they got it wrong !

Time to change, or die away like the dinosaurs

Very well put. I feel sorry for Dingo, he's only passing on info, but everyone jumps on him. The real twats are the ones at the top who are not listening.

[Theghost]

The 3.5% will be paid,You are all that negative you can never think something will be honoured,Do you really think Royal mail would be so stupid not to pay us what was agreed,Industrial action would be the outcome and that is the last thing they want.

So come the day we are paid the 3.5% perhaps you should jump back on this thread and apologise to dingo,Or is that beneath you? Pathetic.

[gb93]

Apologise for what ?
I think the CWU have enough apologists for RM already
Let's be thankful & shout from the rooftops, because the union says RM will honour a part of an agreement that they were so desperate for us to accept
Way paved for 2013 pay deal, job done for the highly skilled negotiators

[noggin1969]

TBH taking it out on Dingo for posting on the forum is not on just because we feel the deal was poor. At the end of the day it was the deal that was democratically voted in by the membership and is the one we have to work with. RM may be not following it to the letter and the PEC may be weak in its approach to RM but Dingo seems to be the only one to post on here who has an informed position. My own view for what it's worth ( which isn't alot ) is RM top dogs and goverment can't wait to privatise RM by bankrupting the business , laying off the staff and re employing people through Angard Staffing.

[wandle]

It just shows how accustomed we've become to having RM blatantly ignore commitments they've made in past agreements with the CWU that we are somehow supposed to be grateful that Dingo tells us the 3.5% will be paid. Oh my God, RM are going to honour what they've already signed up to ? It's a measure of the distrust members have for the CWU's relationship with Royal Mail that we are shocked by such news

[labbloke]

TBH take it out on Dingo for posting on the forum is not on just because we feel the deal was poor. At the end of the day it was the deal that was democratically voted in by the membership and is the one we have to work with. RM my be not following it to the letter and the PEC may be weak in its approach to RM but Dingo seems to be the only one to post on here who has an informed position. My own view for what it's worth ( which isn't alot ) is RM top dogs and goverment can't wait to privatise RM by bankrupting the business , laying off the staff and re employing people through Angard Staffing.

[fishtank]

So come the day we are paid the 3.5% perhaps you should jump back on this thread and apologise to dingo,Or is that beneath you? Pathetic.

It's a discussion forum.
All views and opinions are valid.
If it gets personal the moderators will deal with it.
I think the postmanchat site proved what happens when you try to take the discussion out of a discussion forum.
Dingo is a big boy and i'm sure he's had worse,i certainly don't think he needs or would want his hand held or an apology from me.
This isn't primary school,if i post an opinion on here it will be my opinion and i am quite prepared for it to be unpopular without needing years of therapy to get over the rejection.
I'm sure dingo feels the same.