Going sick the day before a week's leave

[Natagora]

Hi,

I'm invited to a close friends stag do on a Saturday in a couple of months. Surprise surprise, I can't get the day off. Also, people on my section are generally very reluctant to swap their Saturdays. By hook or by crook though, I want to make this gig. The week after this Saturday, I'm already on leave for the week. If I phone in sick first thing, will it go down as one day's absence, or about eight, due to my being on holiday the week following? I'm not on any stage warning, but just thought I'd check it out.

Thanks.

[POSTMAN]

Moved to blue shirts.

[wandle]

Hi,

I'm invited to a close friends stag do on a Saturday in a couple of months. Surprise surprise, I can't get the day off. Also, people on my section are generally very reluctant to swap their Saturdays. By hook or by crook though, I want to make this gig. The week after this Saturday, I'm already on leave for the week. If I phone in sick first thing, will it go down as one day's absence, or about eight, due to my being on holiday the week following? I'm not on any stage warning, but just thought I'd check it out.

Thanks.

The only way for it to only count as one day's sick would be if you phoned up at a later point that same Saturday, to say you're fit to resume. Which would look absurdly dodgy.

Be warned, though. I know from a contact (an Area rep) of two guys that did a similar thing and the DOM went round their houses to find neither at home. Last I heard, they were both dismissed and were awaiting the result of an appeal

[fishtank]

How can they tell you that you can't have a day off two months from now?
Are you telling me it's impossible to resource one extra member of staff with 8 weeks notice?
What happens when someone goes sick in your office,does the whole place fall apart?
Your manager is a tool,offer to take it unpaid and if they still refuse speak to your rep and stick in a grievance but do not take it as sick.
You have already requested the day off,if you then go sick it will be blatantly obvious you are abusing the attendance procedure.

[Darren Bent]

Royal Mail is crap for booking holidays I mean last year I tried to swap day off and request the last saturday off in August and there is no way I can it. So I couldn't go to Holland Summer Salsa Congress. That is because of peak time. Life would be much easier if we doesn't have to work on Saturday.

[DGP1]

How can they tell you that you can't have a day off two months from now?
Are you telling me it's impossible to resource one extra member of staff with 8 weeks notice?
What happens when someone goes sick in your office,does the whole place fall apart?
Your manager is a tool,offer to take it unpaid and if they still refuse speak to your rep and stick in a grievance but do not take it as sick.
You have already requested the day off,if you then go sick it will be blatantly obvious you are abusing the attendance procedure.

[ewancurze]

Take it unpaid and then work one of your rest days at another time, thats what i usually do (overtime rate makes you slightly better off!)

[thechemisyshop]

if you have no stages -go sick for a week then claim the hols back -you get them back- you cant be sick and on holiday at the same time

[woofwoof]

ring up say you have the sh***s then say you will be fit for work the next day (sunday) that is 1 days sick or as above take 7 da ys get your annual leave back

[Cheetah]

How can they tell you that you can't have a day off two months from now?
Are you telling me it's impossible to resource one extra member of staff with 8 weeks notice?
What happens when someone goes sick in your office,does the whole place fall apart?
Your manager is a tool,offer to take it unpaid and if they still refuse speak to your rep and stick in a grievance but do not take it as sick.
You have already requested the day off,if you then go sick it will be blatantly obvious you are abusing the attendance procedure.

You're very lucky FT if your manager helps you out in that manner...... A guy in our office asked to be accomodated on sat 16th June 2012 6 months in advance, he wanted one day to attend his own wedding, our DOM told him as there was no spare leave on that day, he would need to make other arrangements . He has put it in the unions hands so lets see wher that one goes......

[POSTMAN]

Some of you are seriously working with wank management.

At my place we look at the holiday list,if our day or week is free we get it straight away,and why shouldn't we if there are spare places,if they try it on which is very rare,it's usually sorted with the rep having a tear up.

I never ever get the threads on here where you can't book a day off months in advance.

I feel for you guys and understand why there is the sickness there is in the business.
Royal Mail are their own worst enemies.

[fishtank]

You're very lucky FT if your manager helps you out in that manner...... A guy in our office asked to be accomodated on sat 16th June 2012 6 months in advance, he wanted one day to attend his own wedding, our DOM told him as there was no spare leave on that day, he would need to make other arrangements . He has put it in the unions hands so lets see wher that one goes......

The argument i would use is simple.
If during the summer months your office is lapsing 2 duties for say 3 days a week that is 6 days extra annual leave capacity opened up each week.
That extra capacity should be used by the members as part of phase 3 P&M2007.

• Efficient Summer staffing – each unit will utilise the opportunity offered by reduced traffic volumes to re-arrange responsibilities during the summer period. This will offer employees additional opportunities for leave during the same period.

Royal Mail say as much in their Myths and Facts thing.

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[POSTMAN]

You know what Fish,I would love to know how many offices actually get that,the impression I get is that a lot have forgotten it.

[ewancurze]

You know what Fish,I would love to know how many offices actually get that,the impression I get is that a lot have forgotten it.

Yes our rep is in dispute about that at the moment.....all the lapsing 5 days a week 50 weeks a year but no extra leave slots granted.

[fishtank]

You know what Fish,I would love to know how many offices actually get that,the impression I get is that a lot have forgotten it.

I think a lot of offices get done over because they don't get any support,some get done over because the rep doesn't know enough and some get done over because the members can't be arsed kicking off.
It's a simple position for a rep to take...no extra leave...no lapsing.
Branch and members should support this position 100%.
It should be a short row.