Mail Centre Budgetary Savings

[POSTMAN]

23 January 2012
LTB 037/12 - Mail Centre Budgetary Savings

No. 037/2012
Ref: 711.03
Date: 23rd January 2012


To All Postal Branches
To All Divisional Representatives
To All Area Processing Representatives


Dear Colleague

Mail Centre Budgetary Savings

The department received feedback at a recent Divisional Representatives' meeting that that Mail Centre managers had been charged with achieving a generic and arbitrary 7% budget saving in all Mail Centres. Representation has been made to the business and the department has received a response from Steve Cameron, Operations, and Process & Programme Director.


Mr Cameron has categorically stated, and I quote:
'There is no standard arbitrary 7% savings target for all Mail Centres'


This information should be used by all Area Processing representatives to challenge back on any local proposals presented under such a banner. All local negotiations should be conducted consistent with the BT Agreement and all other relevant National agreements.


In regard to the BT Agreement, management may well quote the generic section on productivity and bring everyone's performance up to the top 10%. However, it should be noted that talks on this measurement system are still taking place at National level and have not yet been concluded.


There has not been any new revisions agreement for Mail Centres since RRP, although the PBS agreement did include a 12 step revision process. As far as the department is concerned in the absence of any new revisions process these agreements are still relevant and should be used in conjunction with the IR Framework to ensure a professional response to any managerial performance proposal.


To ensure consistency in our position the above is also supported by the LTB 219/2011 issued by the previous 'Indoor Department' at CWU HQ on the 8th March 2011. It is our opinion that any proposals, be they based on BSI, upper decile or top 10%, are all one and the same and should be responded to accordingly.


Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to Terry Pullinger, Assistant Secretary, email dwyatt@cwu.org, quoting reference 711.03.

Yours sincerely

Terry Pullinger
Assistant Secretary

[fishtank]

The department received feedback at a recent Divisional Representatives' meeting that that Mail Centre managers had been charged with achieving a generic and arbitrary 7% budget saving in all Mail Centres.

Mr Cameron has categorically stated, and I quote:
'There is no standard arbitrary 7% savings target for all Mail Centres'

So...somebody is telling lies.
Shall we start a poll?

[hans solo]

was he not scottish mgmt west scotland at that wonder what his training involved considering all fixed test letters a wee while back
dont think you require a poll

[fishtank]

I really don't get this.....
It happens all the time in this firm.
Something gets implemented at the front line and the senior people deny all knowledge.
Surely all it would take from Steve,Stevie,Stevo is one conference call to his MCM's and this whole "misunderstanding" would be sorted.
No need to "challenge back on any local proposals presented under such a banner"
Am i missing something?

[DGP1]

I really don't get this.....
It happens all the time in this firm.
Something gets implemented at the front line and the senior people deny all knowledge.
Surely all it would take from Steve,Stevie,Stevo is one conference call to his MCM's and this whole "misunderstanding" would be sorted.
No need to "challenge back on any local proposals presented under such a banner"
Am i missing something?

Yes...........plausible deniability

[fishtank]

Yes...........plausible deniability

Well surely Terry Pullinger Assistant Secretary should say to Steffi...i'll just sit my arse down here while you conference up your mates and tell them exactly what you've just told me.
Shouldn't be an issue if it's true...should it?

[DGP1]

Yes...........plausible deniability

Well surely Terry Pullinger Assistant Secretary should say to Steffi...i'll just sit my arse down here while you conference up your mates and tell them exactly what you've just told me.
Shouldn't be an issue if it's true...should it?

No but i think we both know how RM operates, say one thing to the union while letting their managers do whatever they want regardless of the rules put in place via agreements.

[fishtank]

No but i think we both know how RM operates, say one thing to the union while letting their managers do whatever they want regardless of the rules put in place via agreements.

I think we also both know that it's looooooooong past time for the union to stop taking anything Royal Mail management say at face value.
They are liars.
There are only two reasons to continue to believe a liar.
Either you're stupid or you can't handle the truth.
Maybe we should start a poll.

[POSTMAN]

To be fair,it's getting seriously boring now,one side says this the other side says that,and then there's us in the middle.

[fishtank]

and then there's us in the middle.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right....
Blah de blah de blah...

[DGP1]

and then there's us in the middle.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right....
Blah de blah de blah...

When do I get to cut off the cops ear

[hubbahubba]

Heard that our MC has to lose 15 duties this year (10 processing,5 drivers)in a general resign,due to MCM's "budget cuts"
Every years the same,cut after cut.Let em carry on,when we start failing,no doubt we'll be told to "work harder"

[patrickstar]

dorset mail centre- 8% budget cut savings required by management for business agreement 2012/2013
they want 11 jobs cut from early mech shift with no mech jobs left on this shift

[PhilthyPhil]

dorset mail centre- 8% budget cut savings required by management for business agreement 2012/2013
they want 11 jobs cut from early mech shift with no mech jobs left on this shift

So "There is no standard arbitrary 7% savings target for all Mail Centres" is true then