I moderate another site and this guy would be banned by nowTrueBlueTerrier wrote:Its certainly heading that way - its basically a repeat of the previous thread that Adamant wanted locked so not sure why he raised it all again.Chimps_tea_party wrote:Can we lock the topic now?
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Chimps_tea_party
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Re: royal mail fingerprinting still ?
Retired ex- Royal Mail.
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fishtank wrote: I'm not ridiculing you adam.
I don't even know you.
I'm ridiculing your assertion that Lizard men are sneaking about trying to get posties fingerprints on laminated card because fundamentally i believe in honesty and honestly mate....it's nonsense.
Its no secret that reptilians are real just look at every ancient cluture there was or is you will see the snake pop up everywhere, what do you think the snake is ?
its other people that brought the illuminati into it to begin with on this topic !
of course the church knows about them, my family related (not by blood) catholic decon knows the devils real he belives me I have no reason to lie. If you want to belive the devils not real thats up to you, I wish i did. The devil does indeed come in many shapes and forms and one of them is human. I know what I saw.
now listen to the lyrics of this song thats exactly what I got involved with reptilians in government
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1w1wy ... aste_music" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Employee Health Service Advise = a reptilian experience
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote: If that's true then your question should reflect that. At the moment all it asks is if they touched a laminated or plastic surface, at a processing centre. Again that would be everyone, especially in the circumstances you describe (during training induction), handing over an OHP, a laminated brief for a lesson, a plan of the building your in the list is endless. It also does not have to be in a processing centre, everyone who has been through a formal induction would have had to sign in and if IIRC have a visitors pass issued.
So while your real question seems to be "Do you suspect that you have been covertly fingerprinted" the actual question can only get a YES answer if it did not have the rest of the thread attached. Therefore by asking one question, but expecting another underlying one to be answered you have basically confused the matter and the results themselves are meaningless.
If I asked people "Do you suspect that you have been covertly fingerprinted" it may influence the vote. so I asked if anyone had toutched and cards insted. I did not know everyone was toutching cards these days. Whats the process behind toucting these cards ? are they toutched and then left or taken away from you, or does the manager simply take the card from you in a none suspect way ? the way they did it with us was blaitent. I had great pleasure in informing CWU they were taking prints at the time, thats why Consignia dont exist anymore. Athough I would not put it past them to still be taking them.
Employee Health Service Advise = a reptilian experience
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
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adamant
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Its certainly heading that way - its basically a repeat of the previous thread that Adamant wanted locked so not sure why he raised it all again.Chimps_tea_party wrote:Can we lock the topic now?
I only said to lock the topic because I could tell I hit a nerve, talking about reptilians in the post office can be somewhat overpowering although however true.
Employee Health Service Advise = a reptilian experience
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
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Re: royal mail fingerprinting still ?
Maybe but nobody on here is taking him seriously, we're all just taking the pissChimps_tea_party wrote:I moderate another site and this guy would be banned by nowTrueBlueTerrier wrote:Its certainly heading that way - its basically a repeat of the previous thread that Adamant wanted locked so not sure why he raised it all again.Chimps_tea_party wrote:Can we lock the topic now?
Because in the final analysis - if RM wanted our fingerprints all they would do is take them, upfront and without hesitation.
Plus as FT pointed out, taking fingerprints is a bit more involved that just touching a laminated card (I know because I've had mine taken), all to do with rolling you fingers onto the card to get the whole print, and then there's the palm too so there's no chance of them getting full prints in such an underhanded way.
And he is a real tin foil hatter
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adamant
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so you guys are fingerprint experts now ? I expect criminals role them on stolen goods also ?
what good would them be taking pints up front you would know they had them then ?
from what I am lead to belive its not just me that may have seen something at EHS. You guys have no idea what I got involved in but I dont give a f**k because i do !
what good would them be taking pints up front you would know they had them then ?
from what I am lead to belive its not just me that may have seen something at EHS. You guys have no idea what I got involved in but I dont give a f**k because i do !
Employee Health Service Advise = a reptilian experience
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
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Lifting partial prints is different from taking fingerprints for to be kept on file, now, maybe the lizard people have a special way of extracting prints (and extrapolating prints) but it's not something that is in any science source that I've seen but then they would keep it secretadamant wrote:so you guys are fingerprint experts now ? I expect criminals role them on stolen goods also ? from what I am lead to belive its not just me that may have seen something at EHS. You guys have no idea what I got involved in !
As for what you got involved in................you're either trolling and trying to get your jollies by making outlandish claims or you are having a full scale breakdown, either way blaming us will not make you any friends.
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Lizards that can shape shift, that have ruled the world for thousands of years need bits of laminate to take fingerprints?
Why do they need the fingerprints anyway?
Isn't iris recognition better?
Why do they need the fingerprints anyway?
Isn't iris recognition better?
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It is 6 all (with 3 not sure
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lock this thread.
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adamant
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clashcityrocker wrote:It is 6 all (with 3 not sure)
its been stated everyones toutching laminate these days but as yet no one has explained the exact curcumstances or if they suspect any underhandedness. Remember i was involved with them over 10 years ago I just wanted to know if they were up to old tricks !
Employee Health Service Advise = a reptilian experience
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
"you ever get that far, you never know what you might see"
"the contracts so good it should be made illegal"
"you have no idea who it is you are dealing with"RM
"is it the clour of my skin ?" WTF
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DGP1
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Why, the guy is a nutter but it's not causing offence (except when he insults me and I can cope with that), let him go on because it's better here than out on the streets where he could get hurt for annoying people.Postman Plodd wrote:lock this thread.
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It's the fact that the Lizard Men see a career in Royal Mail IB as a justifiable use of their abilities that worries me.clashcityrocker wrote:Lizards that can shape shift, that have ruled the world for thousands of years need bits of laminate to take fingerprints?
Why do they need the fingerprints anyway?
Isn't iris recognition better?
I think if i could shape shift i would at least take VR.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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We get a lot of troll attacks and it's flattering because it shows they are scared enough to bother to attack us. No doubt, RMC will be rubbished as a site full of conspiracy theorists and adamant's threads will be used as evidence to support this argument. Boxing Day and New Year's Day are traditionally hangover days and a lot of people will be recovering in front of their computers. Adamant has succeed in diverting attention away from the issues that the right-wing trolls don't want us to discuss.
It seems a lot of right-wing trolls use the 'Lizard people' conspiracy to attack revelations made by whistle-blowers. Bruce Wark wrote:
"Whenever I write editorials for The Coast, a mildly left-wing political and entertainment weekly in Halifax, I attract a barrage of abusive online comments from right-wing trolls. My February 24th piece on Project Censored’s 2011 list of under-reported news stories was no exception. I mentioned that the number two story on the Project Censored list said that the U.S. military is the world’s biggest polluter. That prompted one troll to compare me to a Holocaust denier.
“I always love it when Bruce Wank cites his sources. It reminds me of watching Jim Keegstra on the news in the mid ’80s, staring into the camera with his wide-eyed demagogue’s leer and defending his stance on the Holocaust because he had books that proved it,” wrote the troll who goes by the handle “Multi-Culti Ivan.” But he wasn’t done yet.
“So, The US military is a bigger polluter than the decrepit industrial apparatus of the former Soviet bloc; or the burgeoning industrial capacity of India and China. Tell me another fable Cousin Brucie. Tell me about the 12 foot tall lizards from another dimension that really run the world.”
http://mediaspin.ca/2011/06/right-wing- ... -internet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
George Monbiot wrote:
"After I last wrote about online astroturfing, in December, I was contacted by a whistleblower. He was part of a commercial team employed to infest internet forums and comment threads on behalf of corporate clients, promoting their causes and arguing with anyone who opposed them. Like the other members of the team, he posed as a disinterested member of the public. Or, to be more accurate, as a crowd of disinterested members of the public: he used 70 personas, both to avoid detection and to create the impression that there was widespread support for his pro-corporate arguments. I’ll reveal more about what he told me when I’ve finished the investigation I’m working on.
But it now seems that these operations are more widespread, more sophisticated and more automated than most of us had guessed. Emails obtained by political hackers from a US cyber-security firm called HB Gary Federal suggest that a remarkable technological armoury is being deployed to drown out the voices of real people.
As the Daily Kos has reported, the emails show that:
- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.
- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.
- fake accounts can be kept updated by automatically re-posting or linking to content generated elsewhere, reinforcing the impression that the account holders are real and active.
- human astroturfers can then be assigned these “pre-aged” accounts to create a back story, suggesting that they’ve been busy linking and re-tweeting for months. No one would suspect that they came onto the scene for the first time a moment ago, for the sole purpose of attacking an article on climate science or arguing against new controls on salt in junk food.
- with some clever use of social media, astroturfers can, in the security firm’s words, “make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/herself to key individuals as part of the exercise … There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas”
But perhaps the most disturbing revelation is this. The US Air Force has been tendering for companies to supply it with persona management software, which will perform the following tasks:
a. Create “10 personas per user, replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent. … Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms.”
b. Automatically provide its astroturfers with “randomly selected IP addresses through which they can access the internet.” [An IP address is the number which identifies someone's computer]. These are to be changed every day, “hiding the existence of the operation.” The software should also mix up the astroturfers’ web traffic with “traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.”
c. Create “static IP addresses” for each persona, enabling different astroturfers “to look like the same person over time.” It should also allow “organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.”
Software like this has the potential to destroy the internet as a forum for constructive debate. It makes a mockery of online democracy. Comment threads on issues with major commercial implications are already being wrecked by what look like armies of organised trolls – as you can often see on the Guardian’s sites. The internet is a wonderful gift, but it’s also a bonanza for corporate lobbyists, viral marketers and government spin doctors, who can operate in cyberspace without regulation, accountability or fear of detection. So let me repeat the question I’ve put in previous articles, and which has yet to be satisfactorily answered: what should we do to fight these tactics?"
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/02/23/robot-wars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It seems a lot of right-wing trolls use the 'Lizard people' conspiracy to attack revelations made by whistle-blowers. Bruce Wark wrote:
"Whenever I write editorials for The Coast, a mildly left-wing political and entertainment weekly in Halifax, I attract a barrage of abusive online comments from right-wing trolls. My February 24th piece on Project Censored’s 2011 list of under-reported news stories was no exception. I mentioned that the number two story on the Project Censored list said that the U.S. military is the world’s biggest polluter. That prompted one troll to compare me to a Holocaust denier.
“I always love it when Bruce Wank cites his sources. It reminds me of watching Jim Keegstra on the news in the mid ’80s, staring into the camera with his wide-eyed demagogue’s leer and defending his stance on the Holocaust because he had books that proved it,” wrote the troll who goes by the handle “Multi-Culti Ivan.” But he wasn’t done yet.
“So, The US military is a bigger polluter than the decrepit industrial apparatus of the former Soviet bloc; or the burgeoning industrial capacity of India and China. Tell me another fable Cousin Brucie. Tell me about the 12 foot tall lizards from another dimension that really run the world.”
http://mediaspin.ca/2011/06/right-wing- ... -internet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
George Monbiot wrote:
"After I last wrote about online astroturfing, in December, I was contacted by a whistleblower. He was part of a commercial team employed to infest internet forums and comment threads on behalf of corporate clients, promoting their causes and arguing with anyone who opposed them. Like the other members of the team, he posed as a disinterested member of the public. Or, to be more accurate, as a crowd of disinterested members of the public: he used 70 personas, both to avoid detection and to create the impression that there was widespread support for his pro-corporate arguments. I’ll reveal more about what he told me when I’ve finished the investigation I’m working on.
But it now seems that these operations are more widespread, more sophisticated and more automated than most of us had guessed. Emails obtained by political hackers from a US cyber-security firm called HB Gary Federal suggest that a remarkable technological armoury is being deployed to drown out the voices of real people.
As the Daily Kos has reported, the emails show that:
- companies now use “persona management software”, which multiplies the efforts of the astroturfers working for them, creating the impression that there’s major support for what a corporation or government is trying to do.
- this software creates all the online furniture a real person would possess: a name, email accounts, web pages and social media. In other words, it automatically generates what look like authentic profiles, making it hard to tell the difference between a virtual robot and a real commentator.
- fake accounts can be kept updated by automatically re-posting or linking to content generated elsewhere, reinforcing the impression that the account holders are real and active.
- human astroturfers can then be assigned these “pre-aged” accounts to create a back story, suggesting that they’ve been busy linking and re-tweeting for months. No one would suspect that they came onto the scene for the first time a moment ago, for the sole purpose of attacking an article on climate science or arguing against new controls on salt in junk food.
- with some clever use of social media, astroturfers can, in the security firm’s words, “make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/herself to key individuals as part of the exercise … There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas”
But perhaps the most disturbing revelation is this. The US Air Force has been tendering for companies to supply it with persona management software, which will perform the following tasks:
a. Create “10 personas per user, replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent. … Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms.”
b. Automatically provide its astroturfers with “randomly selected IP addresses through which they can access the internet.” [An IP address is the number which identifies someone's computer]. These are to be changed every day, “hiding the existence of the operation.” The software should also mix up the astroturfers’ web traffic with “traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.”
c. Create “static IP addresses” for each persona, enabling different astroturfers “to look like the same person over time.” It should also allow “organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.”
Software like this has the potential to destroy the internet as a forum for constructive debate. It makes a mockery of online democracy. Comment threads on issues with major commercial implications are already being wrecked by what look like armies of organised trolls – as you can often see on the Guardian’s sites. The internet is a wonderful gift, but it’s also a bonanza for corporate lobbyists, viral marketers and government spin doctors, who can operate in cyberspace without regulation, accountability or fear of detection. So let me repeat the question I’ve put in previous articles, and which has yet to be satisfactorily answered: what should we do to fight these tactics?"
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/02/23/robot-wars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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