another revision question

[keithposty]

most rural duties are 4 hour min at the moment, let alone the revison times they are trying to use when the revision comes in

its funny pegasus is saying all the rurals are 3 hours 15

[fishtank]

Using Pegasus on rural duties is pointless.
Where are the parameters for getting stuck behind a herd of cows,untying the 16 knot bailing twine lock the farmer keeps on the gate,sitting behind the tractor for 10 minutes while he rolls a ciggie,trying not to kill the mad collie as it tries to eat your tyres..
Our rurals were timed the old fashioned way...with a watch and a bit of common sense.

[dvbuk55]

Using Pegasus on rural duties is pointless.
Where are the parameters for getting stuck behind a herd of cows,untying the 16 knot bailing twine lock the farmer keeps on the gate,sitting behind the tractor for 10 minutes while he rolls a ciggie,trying not to kill the mad collie as it tries to eat your tyres..
Our rurals were timed the old fashioned way...with a watch and a bit of common sense.

Oddly enough our rural duties were compiled by geo-route and almost each and every one came in under, as it turns out...........soon to be rectified under a new revision scheduled for January but somehow I don't think it's going to be that easy to get a revision in this time ..............................

[AdTheBad]

When I used to be aspirational, I had a good deal of academic surveying experience.

IMHO, The computer generated survey can only be a useful stand-alone tool wherein streets are grid plan, socio/economic demography is known, surface coverings are known and distance from support hub is shown. Otherwise, too many variables (stairs, gravel,long individual paths,wealthy demographic, road type, street-plan etc etc) mean that the tool can only be useful as "part" of a survey. The other part must be a physical, time and motion survey, and the result must be a balance between the two.

Also, What appears to be happening is that RM are attempting to apply a quantative paradigm to a qualitive phenomena. This is not possible. It goes against reality, unless the expected conculsion is to be a=b (+/-c%), in which case they still do not have a quantative answer.

I think.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Using Pegasus on rural duties is pointless.
Where are the parameters for getting stuck behind a herd of cows,untying the 16 knot bailing twine lock the farmer keeps on the gate,sitting behind the tractor for 10 minutes while he rolls a ciggie,trying not to kill the mad collie as it tries to eat your tyres..
Our rurals were timed the old fashioned way...with a watch and a bit of common sense.

I question the use of Pegasus on walking duties that involve delivery to a significant number of businesses, according to what planners said at our place in the build up to revision, as they claim the program does not have proper inputs to allow for...
Staff busy with customers, especially when something needs a signature (which they often do, lots of Recorded and Specials) or even simply to deliver a bog standard packet (again many) and/or letters
Staff not in view to hand over any mail
Businesses that do not issue uniform or identification, especially to volunteers in charity stores, making the identifying of someone to correctly hand the mail to rather problematic

The above can turn an awful lot of business delivery points into attendance calls, which can make such drops easily take a minute, especially with all the unlocking and re-locking of the HCT lid to retrieve any non-Special packet[s] (as weight is off the shoulder).

Planners' solution: Give each business extra distance, plotted from middle of road to back of each business... Last time I checked, adding another 10 metres or so to a delivery point is not going to take account of the above delays!

Not to mention the lack of official SSOW training for HCTs to date regarding at what point does it become necessary to lock the HCT to an immovable object, rather than leaving it free standing outside the business entrance. If locking is strictly required whenever the HCT is going to be out of sight (if we had eyes in the back of our head), should we not be having a fieldday identifying each delivery point where this happens any then getting all the locking/unlocking of the hi-tech paddlocks factored into the delivery span time i.e. less delivery points are possible if strictly adhering to Royal Mail's own security protocol?

[clashcityrocker]

I question the use of Pegasus

That will do.

[bakerstreetirregular]

RE: Locking your HCT to an immovable object. You'll find that the HCT should be locked to an immovable object whenever it is out of your line of sight, how long the HCT is left unattended is dependent upon the security rating of the area, in which your working. (The security rating should be based on the crime levels published on YOUGOV and the number of reported offences againist post persons). The allowed time for leaving the HCT, restarts each time the HCT comes into view and you can ascertain it is untampered with, still in the same place etc. the "clock" starts again, allowing you to continue your delivery.You should have had full training for the SSOW regarding the HCT before using it, which will be recorded and kept by your DOM for inspection (along with your signature acknowledging you attending the training) before using it. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TRAINED ON IT, YOU SHOULDN'T BE USING IT!. Its really that simple!.