Mandela Way parking and loading arrangements to be reviewed

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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Short-term parking bays could be provided in Mandela Way for residents collecting parcels from the Royal Mail delivery office after the leader of Southwark Council responded to complaints from motorists who had been fined for pulling up outside.

A thread on the SE1 forum in early December revealed several instances of motorists who had received fines when they stopped in Mandela Way on a Saturday morning to collect a parcel from the Southwark Delivery Office which covers all addresses in SE1 and SE16.

Southwark Council leader Peter John promised to look into the matter and to ask the parking enforcement service not to target visitors to the Royal Mail depot.

"After posting last time I took steps to ensure that the mobile parking camera was not deployed in this area of Mandela Way – and I understand that this happened," wrote Cllr John on 16 December.

"I have also asked for a longer term solution to be looked at – the sort of parking bays that people have been discussing on this thread."

"Until that longer term change to the parking is introduced I can only urge everyone to use Willow Walk to park when collecting parcels. There is a path through to the sorting office."

Several people who received parking fines also contacted Simon Hughes MP who last week wrote to Southwark Council urging them to review the arrangements.

"It seems completely illogical to me that people are not allowed legally to park outside the Royal Mail sorting office even for short periods of time," said Simon Hughes.

"All year round, but especially at Christmas, the reason many people visit the sorting office is to collect post which is important to them or parcels which may be too heavy or too large to easily carry home on foot or on public transport.

"I have therefore called on the council to change the parking restrictions outside them sorting office on Mandela Way so that people can park their cars for up to half an hour, allowing enough time to collect their post.

"Even if short-term parking is only available in three or four spaces, this would help local residents collect their post and parcels without risking parking fines or having to walk longer distances back to buses or their cars."

[Wessex]

Free (Nelson)Mandela Way

[NWpostie]

No surprise its a left wing council area, nothing against Mandela, the man is not even dead, I don't thinks its appropriate to name a road after a living personage.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

No surprise its a left wing council area, nothing against Mandela, the man is not even dead, I don't thinks its appropriate to name a road after a living personage.

More than likely it was named after him as a mark of support for those fighting against Apartheid rather than for him alone. Most of those buildings and roads named after him probably had it done in the 80s, like Del Boys address.

[POSTMAN]

I've worked there before,impossible to park for us let alone anyone else.

[NWpostie]

No surprise its a left wing council area, nothing against Mandela, the man is not even dead, I don't thinks its appropriate to name a road after a living personage.

More than likely it was named after him as a mark of support for those fighting against Apartheid rather than for him alone. Most of those buildings and roads named after him probably had it done in the 80s, like Del Boys address.

there's not just him, many other have including whites, it is usually better to name after a dead person, that way it is earned and there is little likelihood of corruption and scandals, it would be hugely embarrassing if Mandela was found to be involved in some illegal deringdoo and the names would have to be changed.

IRONICALLY the USA land of the free home of the brave continued the racial segregation right up to the late 50s, did we have any sanctions on them ? hell no we didn't, double standards.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

[quote="NWpostiequote=""][quote="NWpostiequote=""]No surprise its a left wing council area, nothing against Mandela, the man is not even dead, I don't thinks its appropriate to name a road after a living personage.[/quote]

it would be hugely embarrassing if Mandela was found to be involved in some illegal deringdoo and the names would have to be changed.[/quote]

He was involved in illegal derringdoo.

After the banning of the ANC in 1960, Nelson Mandela argued for the setting up of a military wing within the ANC. In June 1961, the ANC executive considered his proposal on the use of violent tactics and agreed that those members who wished to involve themselves in Mandela's campaign would not be stopped from doing so by the ANC. This led to the formation of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Mandela was arrested in 1962 and sentenced to five years' imprisonment with hard labour. In 1963, when many fellow leaders of the ANC and the Umkhonto we Sizwe were arrested, Mandela was brought to stand trial with them for plotting to overthrow the government by violence. His statement from the dock received considerable international publicity. On June 12, 1964, eight of the accused, including Mandela, were sentenced to life imprisonment. From 1964 to 1982, he was incarcerated at Robben Island Prison, off Cape Town; thereafter, he was at Pollsmoor Prison, nearby on the mainland.

IRONICALLY the USA land of the free home of the brave continued the racial segregation right up to the late 50s, did we have any sanctions on them ? hell no we didn't, double standards.

I don't disagree that the UK governments of all hues are guilty of double standards, its not usually the cause they are concerned about but the profit that can be gained or lost. However to put it in context, even in the UK racial discrimination was legal in the UK, you could bar people from renting property, or base the rent level on the colour of peoples skin, or their country of origin. In fact it was not criminal to discriminate based on race until 1965 in the UK http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 457112.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[NWpostie]

Good research, That was the reason Mandela was imprisoned on Robbens island, he seemed to have been forgiven, one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, the naming of the road was politically inspired I am sure the locals wasn't consulted about this.


Re racial discrimination very true, it wasn't set in law until 1965, it was set in principle from 1807 with the abolition of slavery and legally enforced throughout the Empire by 1835 which pre dated the emancipation proclamation by 28 years and only then it applied to the Confederates States NOT the 4 slave owning sates that remained in the Union Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware, they were allowed to keep slaves, the intention of the proclamation was not for moral reasons, it was to destroy the economy of the South, after the war they got stuffed over by teh carpet baggers, even right up to WW2 the US Army were segregated by colour, the British people were horrified at this and immediate flouted the segregation bar to pub and homes, if the Empire were willing to commit their troops to Britain's defence they were treated as brothers this attitude extended to the Blacks.