Leaving the union

[Viewfindergeneral]

It's a simple question. What is the simple answer? I understand the pros and cons and I have decided that I would rather have the money in my pocket and take a chance by myself.

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I would imagine they would do it for you.

Thank you for the information I requested. As for the whys and wherefores, I have very good reasons which I am keeping private. You can all have your opinions but don't forget you have no idea of the circumstances that have lead me to this decision.

[daveyeff]

It's a simple question. What is the simple answer? I understand the pros and cons and I have decided that I would rather have the money in my pocket and take a chance by myself.

Why would you rather be a blackleg?

1. An infectious, usually fatal bacterial disease of cattle and sometimes of sheep, goats, and swine, caused by Clostridium chauvoe and characterized by gas-containing swellings in the musculature.
2. A bacterial or fungal disease of certain plants, such as the cabbage and potato, that causes the stems to turn black at the soil line.
3. One who cheats at cards; a cardsharp.
4. Chiefly British A worker who is opposed to trade unions; a scab.

If he is a blackleg which one is he. Can't be 4 as he is not opposed, he joined in first place, and we have not been on strike in last 2 years.

I disagree with his decision, but I respect that fact that he has a right to make it, thats why is called a democracy.

it is 4 really teebs, its just the definition is wrong. we all know that a blackleg is the same as a scab happy days

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Correct a Blackleg is another term for a scab, however leaving a Union for any reason does not make you a scab. You can only be a scab when you cross a picket line, or fail to follow the instructions of a Union during an Industrial Dispute - such as docketing on a No Overtime action, taking 2 bags out on a "Work to the Rules" etc.

I cannot call Viewfindergeneral a scab unless he does one of those things, if he ever does, and to my recollection he has not - ergo "NOT A SCAB".

I personally don't give a flying duck if people are in the Union or not, leaving aside that closed shops are illegal, all I judge them on is what they do when action is called for. AT my office we had 99% strike and we certainly don't have 99% Union coverage, does that make the non union guys strike breakers - NO.

[daveyeff]

agreed, but no one has called him one, i was on about the definition malarkey thingymajig.

[fishtank]

Will union members throwing abuse at someone for leaving make them more or less likely to rejoin?
Discuss.

[daveyeff]

Will union members throwing abuse at someone for leaving make them more or less likely to rejoin?
Discuss.

aye, most definately imo,(LESS likely) i was totally pissed at them for agreeing to this shite, but i still would never consider leaving the union. we need to stick together. but i totally understand why people feel the need to leave, however, anyone doing so must realise they are leaving themselves wide open to management bullying without protection.

[Viewfindergeneral]

Will union members throwing abuse at someone for leaving make them more or less likely to rejoin?
Discuss.

aye, most definately imo,(LESS likely) i was totally pissed at them for agreeing to this shite, but i still would never consider leaving the union. we need to stick together. but i totally understand why people feel the need to leave, however, anyone doing so must realise they are leaving themselves wide open to management bullying without protection.

What makes you think you get any protection when you are in the union?

[Cheetah]

How do I leave the union?

Completely your choice, just phone HR and they sort it for you...... I did it and regreted it along with my colleague who also came out after the dread full BT2010 agreement, both of us were conduct coded for minor incidents which others were not even spoken to about
Sorted out my missdemeaner ( got clear record on appeal and won grievance) but not without much heartache and worries, then swallowed my pride and rejoined..... Yes there are a lot of free riders in the union authorities but it does have many benefits, even if just being a part stops management bullying . Don't get me wrong I know how you feel, regards the lack of support etc but I would just say, perhaps give it a second thought

[bitchface]

ask yourselves,what have they done for you..in the laST 4 YEARS ,FOR ME THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING..dispite having to fight a conduct code on spurious grounds,constantly refused my holiday leave when requested,bullying and harrassment..the list goes on..

what they have done is lower my take home pay with this agreement,give me more work to do up to 7 d2d's so far
we have not recieved any benifits from the deal but we have before the ink was dry given them everything they requested..our dsm is refusing to give us our £600 because we donot get full sequenced mail(because we agreed to come in 15 minutes early on a saturday,they then withdrew sequancing on that day because we wanted it earlier)even after our union rep and manager signed it off.

so again you are paying them money,you have a right to a return on that money..so what have you gained...if you consider yourself better off to the value of £14 a month stay in the union if you think its money down the drain leave...simplz

but dont worry Sycophants your union thinks its done such a good job they have put your subs up..probably more intrest free loans for the boys at the top

[Fred B]

Will union members throwing abuse at someone for leaving make them more or less likely to rejoin?
Discuss.

It's not abuse. It's a statement of fact. Non-union labour is blackleg labour.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Will union members throwing abuse at someone for leaving make them more or less likely to rejoin?
Discuss.

It's not abuse. It's a statement of fact. Non-union labour is blackleg labour.

No its not - Black leg labour is as I described above (against the Union, or that cross pickets lines) Non Union Labour in my office have fully supported all strikes since I started at RM, therefore they are not Black Legs but they are Non Union.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

but dont worry Sycophants your union thinks its done such a good job they have put your subs up..probably more intrest free loans for the boys at the top

Sycophants of the CWU - Not many of those on RMC, by complaining about the Union and questioning it automatically makes you a non-sycophant. But then you knew that.

[fishtank]

You fight for years to give people the right to choose to join a union and when someone chooses to leave the toys get thrown out of the pram and the name calling starts.
It's a funny old world.

[Tman]

It'd be even funnier if the non-union members declined to accept the hard-won benefits the union members have won for them.
Those non-union members always seem to have thier sticky little hands held out for those benefits, just the same as the rest of us,though.

Funny that....

[fishtank]

It'd be even funnier if the non-union members declined to accept the hard-won benefits the union members have won for them.
Those non-union members always seem to have thier sticky little hands held out for those benefits, just the same as the rest of us,though.

Funny that....

They also have to accept the downside as well Tman...let's be fair.
They lost their D2D payments,their shift allowances,they had their workload increased and had to suffer derisory pay rises.
If they supported us during the strikes they also lost that money.
The big difference is they have no voice nor any protection when things go wrong.