Last night during our brief, it was briefed about the break down of talks between rm and cwu, then what happened next I was gobsmacked, one keyer who did not take part in i/a asked if they can have the 2.5% pay offer and the cwu members should wait till cwu finished negotiations.
I know what my thoughts are, I would like to see some of this forum's members comments.
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evilc
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Would you believe it
" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
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Unfortunately that is how some staff think at Plymouth mdec.TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
, and that is how the managers like it, cause it tries its best to isolate them from the rest of RM. :cfo :lfo" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
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La
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Sounds fair to me. I'm a little annoyed that the IA apparently means we won't be getting that bonus in April. We hoped to buy a car with that money. And I'd like a pay rise of 2.5%, doesn't sound like a bad pay deal to me.
Not everyone hates the company as much as you guys. There are two (at least) sides to every story. I support your (general) decision to strike but you (general) should support our (general) decision not to.
La
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Not everyone hates the company as much as you guys. There are two (at least) sides to every story. I support your (general) decision to strike but you (general) should support our (general) decision not to.
La
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Jessika
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i say let the non union members and those who dont strike have the 2.5 per cent, let them negociate their own pay rise and terms and conditions in the future. let them loose their pensions, let them be the first to loose their jobs, shift allowences etc.
The rest of us will wait for our pay rise and the conditions the union negociate for us and when we get a better deal than has already been given to the non union people well we can just laugh.
shame it cant work that way
The rest of us will wait for our pay rise and the conditions the union negociate for us and when we get a better deal than has already been given to the non union people well we can just laugh.
shame it cant work that way
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Sorry cant support your decision not to strike as it goes against my decision to strike. However, I can support your right to either strike or not as we live in a free country.
However, if you are a member of the Union and believe in Democracy (as opposed to Anarchy) and the union democratically decided to strike, then my position is either strike or leave the union. You can't have it both ways but thats is only my opinion, would be interested to hear others.
However, if you are a member of the Union and believe in Democracy (as opposed to Anarchy) and the union democratically decided to strike, then my position is either strike or leave the union. You can't have it both ways but thats is only my opinion, would be interested to hear others.
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we live in a democracy and everybody should have their opinion but these people moaning about the strikes should remember what would have happened without them.
royal mail would have brought in their crazy summer plan and the 7 d2d's and get paid for 3.
we go strike for better pay and conditions why should non strikers get the benefits
royal mail would have brought in their crazy summer plan and the 7 d2d's and get paid for 3.
we go strike for better pay and conditions why should non strikers get the benefits
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we have been told lies by the top two who said our pension is important and they would do all they can to protect it. How many delivery postmen and women could face working 5 years more?. If you are prepared to accept that and the other changes you go ahead and cross the picket line because if you think this is the last of the cuts, you are very much mistaken. 
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La
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I do belong to the union but I only joined immediately after the ballot. Had I been a member with a vote I would have voted against the strike. I don't feel that this means I should leave the union simply because I am in the minority of the union members in not wanting a strike. If the union voted on more things and cut out the minority of every vote then the union would soon lose a lot of members. You shouldn't have to belong to the group only if you promise to have the same opinion as everyone else.
I support the right to strike without actually supporting the strike itself. The reason that I chose not to strike is simply that where I am I am happy. I do not understand the wider picture of the RM company in the respects of what postmen/women go through, d2d, post offices closing down etc etc and don't feel equipped to strike about those issues because I know very little about them. I believe that to strike you should know why you are striking and you should believe in it. I don't. What I do know is how my life is as a RM employee. I like that life and when faced with the option of a 2.5% pay rise I am fairly happy with this proposal. Everyone wants more money of course and I'm only human but I am happy with that offer and don't feel it's worth causing a fuss over, as it were. The other issues such as new technology etc all sound like things that are inevitable. You can't stop change no matter how much you may dislike it and I believe that RM does need to make a lot of changes in order to survive in this new postal world. That probably will mean that jobs are lost - I don't think fighting against that is really a productive option, fighting for an excellent redundancy package would, for example, be something I'd be more likely to get behind. It is unfortunate, and if RM had been a better company they could have avoided all of this but, let's face it, they are often crap, really really crap.
As for complaining about the strike - from my point of view I didn't want there to be a strike, but there was. Fair enough, I am not forced to participate. I told my (then deputy) union rep that I wished him well and my hubby and I brought him in sweets for the picket line (he's a nice guy). I didn't like the union rep (not the nice guy, someone else) blocking my entrance at work, hassling me and saying, and I quote, 'You've really let me down, Lara, you've really let me down', nor to I like the comments at the doors about my (unborn) baby, trying to make me feel guilty that I didn't strike as if I don't care about my baby's future. I don't like it when in WTL I'm told that there is almost certainly no way we will be getting the end of financial year bonus because of the strikes. I don't like it that there is a whole pile of bad feeling collecting at work because of the strikes. I don't like that there's a chance that an already struggling company that I belong to will have been crippled even more and I don't like that that 2.5% seems to be drifting far away.
I know my view isn't popular on this board but I think a lot of people at Plymouth MDEC do feel like me. I also know that my view is quite selfish really. I go to work, I earn my money and then I come home happy and content that I have earnt enough money to carry on with my lovely life and if I am honest I don't really think about the wider picture. The problem ultimately with the strike is that MDEC is a different world to what really goes on at most of RM and we at MDEC don't really know what it's like to work for another part of the company. I don't really understand what is so bad about the company's plan.
Hope that this has explained my point of view a little better, I don't expect anyone to agree with it though ;)
Thanks for reading,
La
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I support the right to strike without actually supporting the strike itself. The reason that I chose not to strike is simply that where I am I am happy. I do not understand the wider picture of the RM company in the respects of what postmen/women go through, d2d, post offices closing down etc etc and don't feel equipped to strike about those issues because I know very little about them. I believe that to strike you should know why you are striking and you should believe in it. I don't. What I do know is how my life is as a RM employee. I like that life and when faced with the option of a 2.5% pay rise I am fairly happy with this proposal. Everyone wants more money of course and I'm only human but I am happy with that offer and don't feel it's worth causing a fuss over, as it were. The other issues such as new technology etc all sound like things that are inevitable. You can't stop change no matter how much you may dislike it and I believe that RM does need to make a lot of changes in order to survive in this new postal world. That probably will mean that jobs are lost - I don't think fighting against that is really a productive option, fighting for an excellent redundancy package would, for example, be something I'd be more likely to get behind. It is unfortunate, and if RM had been a better company they could have avoided all of this but, let's face it, they are often crap, really really crap.
As for complaining about the strike - from my point of view I didn't want there to be a strike, but there was. Fair enough, I am not forced to participate. I told my (then deputy) union rep that I wished him well and my hubby and I brought him in sweets for the picket line (he's a nice guy). I didn't like the union rep (not the nice guy, someone else) blocking my entrance at work, hassling me and saying, and I quote, 'You've really let me down, Lara, you've really let me down', nor to I like the comments at the doors about my (unborn) baby, trying to make me feel guilty that I didn't strike as if I don't care about my baby's future. I don't like it when in WTL I'm told that there is almost certainly no way we will be getting the end of financial year bonus because of the strikes. I don't like it that there is a whole pile of bad feeling collecting at work because of the strikes. I don't like that there's a chance that an already struggling company that I belong to will have been crippled even more and I don't like that that 2.5% seems to be drifting far away.
I know my view isn't popular on this board but I think a lot of people at Plymouth MDEC do feel like me. I also know that my view is quite selfish really. I go to work, I earn my money and then I come home happy and content that I have earnt enough money to carry on with my lovely life and if I am honest I don't really think about the wider picture. The problem ultimately with the strike is that MDEC is a different world to what really goes on at most of RM and we at MDEC don't really know what it's like to work for another part of the company. I don't really understand what is so bad about the company's plan.
Hope that this has explained my point of view a little better, I don't expect anyone to agree with it though ;)
Thanks for reading,
La
xXx
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evilc
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Read Jessikas post that just about sums ut upLa wrote:Sounds fair to me. I'm a little annoyed that the IA apparently means we won't be getting that bonus in April. We hoped to buy a car with that money. And I'd like a pay rise of 2.5%, doesn't sound like a bad pay deal to me.
Not everyone hates the company as much as you guys. There are two (at least) sides to every story. I support your (general) decision to strike but you (general) should support our (general) decision not to.
La
xXx
" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
Jimmy pursey 1979
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Re: Would you believe it
Is his nickname, shitforbrains?evilc wrote:Last night during our brief, it was briefed about the break down of talks between rm and cwu, then what happened next I was gobsmacked, one keyer who did not take part in i/a asked if they can have the 2.5% pay offer and the cwu members should wait till cwu finished negotiations.
I know what my thoughts are, I would like to see some of this forum's members comments.
